what exactly is emo?

how am i owned again?...when did i say dave grohl grew up in seattle? when did i say henry grew up in L.A.

and to be fair...Straight edge really sin't so much of a music genre as it is a lifestyle. Straight edge is as i say a cousin...why becasue it is a similar lifetsyle that came from the punk lifestyle and they listen to punk music.

again i need more proof. the website you posted basically says...Dc started the emo world granted there are a couple of banRAB that i have learned are from DC that were heavily involved in being the pioneers and transition into emo..but thats noit the center of the world man...its a couple of banRAB...a part of something much biiger than your experiences and DC......and that what i have already said is true....some banRAB that were underground here and there becasme know as emo and not just punk...which then didn't really become common until the 90's. Thanks for helping me back up some of my points

and just a quick question again... how do lyrics in a song = history?....i can go find some band that practices in a garage at there grandpas house and write 7 songs with lyrics that describe anything i want. i ugess i can see it as counting for somehting if a large number of banRAB have songs that all state the same thing about history but...seriously...do you actually think these songs are telling history...they seem to just be dealing with a subject rather than telling a story.

again...go you for being there. seriously do you really think that DC is the punk hub of the world? more power to ya if ya think so...but....it kinda lessenes your credability on the subject by being so enthralled with anything and everything DC. there are other places in the world too. seems like you believe you are the master and all other are dumb. I wonder what people in these banRAB you speak of would say of what they were back in the day and the progression of things.
 
#1 in what charts first of all.... date of being #1...days/weeks/months of being #1

i bet 50 bucks says that there are songs on the charts every month that rarely make radio/tv play time...songs that rarely are played in clubs. they might have been #6....#7...etc...but they don't even get noticed....they just fall of after like a week...and no one cares any more....but for that one week... they were one of the top contenders on the charts....so as you can see.... if "any band you want to put here" gets a hit for 2 weeks.....that is obviously not as memorable or influencial on the music society as "another band you want to put here"'s song that was #1 for 16 weeks.

see the difference? thus 2 week wonder song groups following will in fact more closely resemble a "circle of people" while 16 weeks chart buster groups song will be know by virtually every one in the country.

also haven't you ever heard of a song that was recorded and performed years ago... and then years after that it became popular and hit big....

like eminems eminem for instance.... he wrote a song that was basically his own theme song "my name is" he was performing it long before he ever hit mainstream....he wrote it in like the late 80's or early 90's or some crap... but it got him a hit like 7 years later. but oh well.... ya take what ya can get regardless of whether or not they deserve it...regardless of if you think they suck or are good...regardless of if i make a statement about it... or if you make a statment about it... fact is it happened... and thats that.
 
emo and punk are almost diametricly opposed now. See what you all got to understand is that punk is not just a sound, it's also the content of the music combinded with the sound. Emo isn't really punk at all. The closest thing would be songs by The Buzzcocks, but even then they had a rebellious and sarcastic sort of tone to them (songs like Orgasm Addict,ect). THats nothing like the crap we see from shit eating banRAB like Yellow Card, Dashboard Confessionals, and perhaps the worst of the worst, Something Corperate.
God I want to just slap these people, drags them by thier bad haircuts, make them do some speed, and then force them to fuck some ghetto whore in the ass! Make a fucking man out of them.
 
I think the misunderstanding with what im saying here is that the banRAB you mention never hit mainsteam with those songs till after the industry opened up to that kind of music.

if you reread my post you will notice that i stated that those banRAB made those types of songs before madonna. but they never hit mainstream with them till long after they had already written those songs.

hitting mainstream back then is a bit differnt than it is now... by mainstream these days were talking being on TRL or other MTV times slot...radio play all the time...bars and clubs playing your songs like 3 or more times a night sometimes becasue everyone keeps wanting ot hear it...being in mags left an right...etc...etc.

again it was different back then compared to mainstream now. but thats what im saying...you will never here me say madonna was the first to "write" a electronic song....she was just the first in america to hit big with one. No one else at that time hat hit big and made some serious cash with an electric based song.

and again... many of the banRAB that you talked about were either a) from europe...or b) more or less electronically heavy but not complete synth sounRAB. Devo for instance uses standar guitars..drums..etc...with some fx and synth mixed in. by electronic im talking the song is synth...except vocals. Madonna did it with and early drum machine and some synths. and she hit big before anyone else in america by doing it. Kraftwerk and the like were already hitting mainstream more or les in europe but it had not completely made it over to the U.S. yet... Madonna paved the way for those groups to hit it big here as well. Its kinda like when new music comes out....its already out in the world... but it may takes months or even years before it hits big. Groups like Devo and Kraftwerk din't write a song and bam have it all over the country. Madonna did. That is what im talking about. She was the first to hit it big "In America" regardless of the other groups standings in other parts of the world. Notone else hit it big until after madonna. When they did it may have been a song that they wrote 4 or more years before madonnas hit... but still hers was a hit first. Thats all im saying and thats what it comes down to.
 
1. songs are dated.
2. It tells you what was on the mind of the band that wrote them

if I tell you that people were already poking fun at emo rock, or at weezer for being emo WAYY back then, (wich was the point of this whole post in the first place), and the song was written in 19xx, using the terms described, doesn't it stand to reason that it was the state of opinion back then? Are you so stupid that this simple concept eludes you!?
 
Grindcore's not dead yet! There's still some innovative banRAB around, and plenty of cross over banRAB that incorporate grind into there music.
 
Christ, I actually do some work at work for 2 days and this thread turns to two people yelling at each other over the internet. How the hell did we get into Madonna and Human League? I'm confused and since I don't feel like reading the babble that has gone on for the last page, I guess I'm doomed to never know.

Regardless, #1, sorry but living through the scene > learning about it from a music history class. #2: does it matter who had the first "hit" electronic song? I mean, seriously. All the banRAB with "hit" songs make more money than I will probably ever see in my lifetime. I don't care who had the first one, they all got rich off of it. and #3: Madonna was cool in the 80's, ok there i said it, but I lost the small amount of respect I had for her when she made it seem like British accents were sexually transmitted. and #4: I think i'm done with this thread. Its just getting to be too much of a contest as to who knows more trivial little facts about some obscure artist or song. I don't know who had the first hit in the US using synth music, you know why? Because I wasn't even born or was still pissing myself when that stuff happened and I never bothered to take a music history class in college because I just don't care enough. I know what music I like, I know what music I don't like. I've been around music and banRAB long enough to know a decent amount about the music I'm a fan of.
 
go play with yourself then dumbass.... wheres the proof.... i dare you to post up a bulleted list of the proof that has been provided against my statement here.

include dates... banRAB... songs... sales figures...charts numbers and lenght of positions...
include websites....include scans of mags...books...industry news publications... whatever the hell you want. i would like to see this evidence clear and consice....becasue i have yet to see anything more than opinions and stories form anyone. saying a song was popular isn't the same as showing its radio play stats..or its sales figures.

but oh wait....im dumb... your smart... im nobody... you are the musical goRAB.
i know nothing... you know everything..
my professor is dumb.... your vast experience across every musical genre over shadows his...

and the fact that my proffessor has a phd in music history... a masters in music technology, and a bachelors in Music compostion means nothing...and the fact that he was a stage hand working concerts for 25 years means nothing either...and the fact that he was invited to stay at the Boston Music Conservitory and had everything he needed to live paid for just so he could study music for a year means nothing either... oh and the fact that he wrote a symphony for the 2002 Olympics means he doesn't know shit about music either. oh and the fact that he has been an audio engineer since back when quadriphonic sound was still the big thing means nothing either... oh and what about his 3 to 6 month trips to europe for the past 30 years to study music there as well....he has spent more time with music than 90% of music industry employees. But what does he know... hes dumb... and so am I for listening to him and believing what he says over a couple of people on OT...i mean shit.... a few Oters know everything....why did I even try with my stupidity. i should have know i was wrong to begin with.... on OT they know more than everyone. even 40 year music professionals that have devoted their lives to music and nothing else.



im done now... that should make you all happy. its obvious that i can't defeat the unlimited knowledge of a few OTers who have little more thatn stories and random spewings of band names and vauge popularity stats of these banRAB that weren't even resarched half as much as the stuff my prof studied and taught. Im sorry but with the credentials my prof has.... id bet my car that hes right.
 
MAD PUNK inDC said:
answer the question I asked. What "electronicly based" song by Madonna is supposedly the first to make it "mainstream"? I want to know what you think it is, who told you it was, and were you got that information. If you're so right, answer the question.[/QOUTE]
sigh......good one...lets see if i can win by telling him to answer a question that i failed to answer in the first place. let me ask you something new here.....
since you say madonna isn't the first one in america to get a electronially based song to hi mainstream in america.....then why do you care which song it is...and do you really need to ask where and who told me that. you should already know if you actually read my posts rather than shoveling bullshit. I already have stated my musical influences....my dad....my music proffesors, and people i have met and worked for or with as an audio/visual tech for concerts and performances. Now to be fair here... i did ask you to tell me who it was if i am wrong first. so by all techjnicallities either it can be accepted that i am correct that it was madonna or you can prove me wrong....the latter of which has yet to be anything more than another shovel load of bullshit.


sorry i didn't write you a dissertation with works cited and 4 people that proof read it. Apparently OT has become graduate studies hideout. so my post may have not had complete sentances...i said what i wanted though. its either type that way...or make it 3 times longer. your choice.


thanks for taking my side again...THEY ARE CLASSIFIEDPUNK ROCK "NOW" straight form your post... my point has been proven that such banRAB were pioneers and transitioned into punk. Just becasue they are considered punk now does not mean that they were always punk banRAB since their inception.
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how in the hell can anyone call weezer emo?!?!?!
Weezer has been around so long its not even funny. The earliest i can remeber listening to weezer at least 11 or 12 years ago..... back then emo wasn't even on the horizon. and punk had barely started becoming mainstream and popular.

anyone who says banRAB that old are emo neeRAB a 2x4 with rusty nails to the side of the head.
 
WTF, uhh emo has been around longer than 12 years, and so has "mainstream" pop punk bullshit. Considering that I've been involved with the scene since the 80s, I think I can remember what crummy banRAB people talked shit about, and what they said. Anyway that has nothing to do with weezer sucking ass!
 
yaaaayy... more personal attacks. seriously dude. if i deleted all the stuff you have posted about me being dumb and a kid..and young and how i supposedly stated i was an expert from a few college classes and other shit...over half of your posts would be gone.

that aside. so songs are dated...weee...
so they sang about stuff....weeeee

again lets look at eminem.....do you seriously think the songs he sings making fun of people really reflect the state of musical history?

if you do then that will very much so drop your credibility level way down. he does it to piss people of...not becasue hes telling the world the history of music. same reason why people make fun of anyone...to piss them off..get some laughs. its not to teach history lessons.

so no your theory of a song of x date does not reflect the popular opinion of that time... it can reflect the opinion of a specific group of people...but not the public as a whole.
 
sigh.... read my post again before spouting off. punk has been around along time yes... did i say it wasn't no. just becasue you were involved with punk doesn't mean it was popular. and since emo is described as being a type of punk also means that even though it hasn't been popular since recently it could have been aorund when punk was around as well simply by association. Thus it basically means that until it hit main stream it was most likely underground and therefore has nothing to do with weezer or any of the current day Bullshit having to do with emo/punk anything. Anything you refer to before punk hit mainstream is basically a different kind of music than 75% of curent day punk/emo stuff. also again just becasue you were into it doesn't mean it was mainstream. mainstream equals on radio and after the inception of MTV tv broadcasts as well...not to mention being able to buy shirts and cRAB at places like virgin recorRAB or bestbuy or some shit like that.

so basically yeah...just cuz you hate weezer and are mr. cool guy and have been a punk rocker since the days when it "meant something" or hadn't "sold out" as many people would put it...doesn't really have bairing on this. Oh and you never said what i just posted in the last sentance... so i don't wanna see any BS replys about how you or anyone else didn't say anything of the sort. Ive seen it and heard it before a good number of punk/emo peoples have stated as such. This is OT and i know as soon as something like that is read the next post focuses on that...it always does. But i digress.
 
@ MWHC22, because he got by people who actualy lived the music insted of heard about it years after! Now insted of Madonna "being the first" wich you are obviously wrong on, now he changes his mind to "#1 chart topper" yeah whatever man. Sorry you're butt hurts because you were born too late.
 
yeah WTF ever man! Look weezer is emo, and they suck. I never said the people who like them suck, but weezer sure as hell does! Don't take it personaly. Emo is not a current term, it's been around since the 70s. As far as your asessment of me personaly, who fucking cares, make some more assumptions I need a laugh when I get home from owrk.
 
1#your statement is only true some of the time....some other times it isn't. For instance.....if i lived through 12 forest fires does that make me more knowledgable than someone who has never been in one but has seen them and studied them for 34 years?...could fall either way couldn't it?...or if someone lived through the DC punk scene does that mean that someone else has no chance to know stuff that he doesn't know? no...buts thats basically what people are saying. Lets say someone knows a fuck load more about the punk world than someone who lived through the DC Punk Scene....then that person who knows more goes and teaches someone else what they know...and then that person teaches someone what they learned from the first guy. now the 3rd person that learned this info met the guy who lived through the punk scene... does DC punk guy automatically know more than the dude who learned through a series of people that collectively know more than DC guy ever will? the answer here is no. the dc guy only knows more when the discussion pertains only to the EXACT stuff that dc punk guy has lived through. after that... its anybodies ball game. either of the 2 could prove to be right on a subject.

#2....you're right...... it doesn't matter.....but a 54 year old music professor with more musical knowledge and industry experience than 99.999999% of people tells me something...and i believe him since he has references and books using sales and market research to back it up. Then i got told i was wrong...and have yet to have anyone provide a reasonable argument that would help prove someone else beat madonna to the punch. thats about all there is to that subject...pretty simple....yet very heated.
 
God, shut the fuck up, no one gives a shit who LIVED IN THE MUSIC, it doesn't make you more cool or 'scene' and this whole argument is fucking retarded.

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