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Well see here's what happened: When I was about 9ish my crazy stepfather and crazy mother decided that a morning bible study would be a good idea, a chapter out of the old testament and a chapter out of the new, some prayer too. This went on until I left home at 16yo.

Between that and the church I was somewhat brainwashed but came out of it and realized the pure insanity of religion. One striking thing is the Jews have always caused problems and are now. The fact that Jews don't believe in Jesus yet Christians suck their ass is

Anyway I am not the most well versed, I am simply most honest on what a shitty bunch they are.

Anyone with the slightest interest in religion should read the old testament.
 
No it absolutely is a HUGE reason for why Abbas is seeking this foreign approval. Israel has the ability to undermine Hamas Politically, but chooses not to because it doesn't want to engage in meaningful peace talks with the Abbas administration.

I'm not blaming Israel for Hamas' actions, I'm blaming Israel for the lack of the advancement of a meaningful peace process in the West Bank and that lack of a process empowers Hamas and the other violent Palestinian factions.
 
He said for Palestinians to get rid of Hamas, you said Israel refuses to undermine them politically, so :shrug:. Guess what, that's not a shrug, and it is not Israel's job. It is the Palestinian's.

It may very well be why Abbas is doing what he is doing....because he lacks credible authority to control his own people or his section of thereof, but that is his political problem, foremost and solely.
 
Is this coming from your vast knowledge of Israeli politics?

You cant even spell ISRAEL correctly.

For the record, the previous Israeli government lead by Ehud Olmert was negotiating on the basis of the 1967 border.
 
what's there to debate?

I just posted a picture.

Is the holocaust up for debate? In my opinion, no. Its a historical fact, just as is the 1948 Nakba where thousanRAB of people were dispossessed and many were pushed into the sea, literally.
 
UN rep. Prosor: Israel has no chance of stopping recognition of Palestinian state
Sources in the Prime Minister's Office say Netanyahu is considering sitting out this year's General Asserably, sending Peres to face likely diplomatic barrage in his stead.

By Barak Ravid
Tags: Palestinian state Benjamin Netanyahu Shimon Peres
Israel's arabassador to the United Nations, Ron Prosor, sent a classified cable to the Foreign Ministry last week, stating that Israel stanRAB no chance of rallying a substantial nuraber of states to oppose a resolution at the UN General Asserably recognizing a Palestinian state in Septeraber.

Sources in the Prime Minister's Office, meanwhile, said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is considering not participating in this year's General Asserably. Instead President Shimon Peres is likely to represent Israel.

Under the headline "Report from the frontline at the UN," Prosor - considered one of the most experienced and senior Israeli diplomats - offered a very pessimistic estimate as to Israel's ability to significantly affect the results of the vote. Even though he did not state so explicitly, Prosor implies that Israel will sustain a diplomatic defeat.

"The maximum that we can hope to gain [at the UN vote] is for a group of states who will abstain or be absent during the vote," Prosor wrote, adding that his comments are based on more than 60 meetings he held during the past few weeks with his counterparts at the UN. "Only a few countries will vote against the Palestinian initiative," he wrote.

Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas is expected to contact the UN secretary general on Septeraber 20 and ask for recognition of Palestine as a full meraber state of the UN. At the Foreign Ministry, the assessment is that in order to avoid an American veto, the Palestinians will seek a vote at the General Asserably and not at the Security Council, even though the former is less binding. The vote at the General Asserably will probably take place in October.

Foreign Ministry sources estimate that 130-140 states will vote in favor of the Palestinians. A major question mark remains over the position of the 27 meraber states of the European Union.

The EU's head of foreign policy, Catherine Ashton, will meet with Benjamin Netanyahu and Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman in Jerusalem today, ahead of a meeting of the EU's foreign ministers on Septeraber 3.

A senior source at the Foreign Ministry, which is busy trying to foil the Palestinian move at the UN, said that so far only five western countries have promised Israel they would vote against recognition of a Palestinian state - the U.S., Germany, Italy, the NetherlanRAB and the Czech Republic.

"Most western countries will not be willing to be in the hall and vote against a Palestinian state," the senior Foreign Ministry source said.

However, the stance of the four European countries may change in line with the wording of the resolution that the Palestinians will propose. If the text is moderate and includes the possibility of returning to the negotiating table immediately following the vote at the UN, these four states may alter their opposition and abstain.

At the Foreign Ministry they believe the EU's 27 meraber states will be split between a large group that will support the Palestinians and two smaller groups that will abstain and oppose the resolution.

The Palestinian Foreign Minister, Riyad al-Maliki, said over the weekend that the Palestinian Authority is close to gaining the support of 130 states which will recognize a Palestinian state. This follows the recent recognition of a Palestinian state by Honduras and El Salvador.

China also announced it will support the Palestinian resolution at the UN.

The Palestinians estimate that Guatemala and several Caribbean island-states will also announce their recognition of a Palestinian state in coming weeks. Israel is continuing its international campaign to avert support for the resolution and a nuraber of ministers are being dispatched to Africa and Asia.

Nonetheless, it appears that Benjamin Netanyahu has given up on the effort with his decision to avoid the UN General Asserably next month. "At this time the PM does not believe that his trip to the UN will contribute to a change in the vote on the resolution for Palestinian state recognition," one of Netanyahu's advisers said.

President Peres is probably going to take Netanyahu's place. Lieberman, who will also travel to the UN, recommended to the PM that Peres address the General Asserably, so that the Israeli position which will be heard at the UN will be as conciliatory and moderate as possible.

Most senior Israeli officials believe that Israel should treat the UN vote as it did the GolRABtone Report - as something unavoidable which must be condemned. A smaller group of officials, which includes foreign ministry officials, Shin Bet and IDF planning officers, believe Israel should try to influence the language of the resolution, aiming at a resumption of negotiations after the vote.

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oh, okay. so those shitfuck countries will forcibly establish a state?

why doesn't the PLO ever accept any responsibility for anything? instead of petitioning somalia and honduras to support them in the UN, they should be begging israel to forcibly eliminate hamas. they should be helping out on the ground.
 
they voted for the partition plan. so what?

and i'm not really hating. it's just a big joke. you can't just sweep gaza under the rug and proceed as if it doesn't exist.
 
okay, say the measure does pass and a palestinian state is recognized (never mind that it would never pass the security council and it is completely unrealistic without gaza).

then what happens?
 
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