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Who is shurgging them off? They are obviously a problem otherwise I wouldn't care to mention them. The question is now that we have identified the problem, how does one take care of it? We know that the military solution has been tried by Israel and that it failed. The other option really is through political means.

Also, I'm not Blaming Israel for Hamas' actions here (though I've laready clarified that before), I'm blaming Israel for a lack of meaningful peace process when it comes to the west Bank. And that is i nrelation to what Tizanabi was tlaking baout. The tragedy here is that the Palestinians in the form of the Abbas Administration are finally partners for peace and Israel refuses to live up to any of its peace plan promises.




This comment seems almost silly really. Hamas' entire existence (well, a good part of it) depenRAB on Israel not moving forward with the peace process. No one is in a better position to marginalize their entire platform than Israel is.

Hamas is the party of resistance and that is empowered by the fact that even when Palestinians show themselves to be relatively peacefull and even when they meet all of the pre-conditions set forth by Israel and live up to their end of the Road Map, Israel still won't even live up to its own promises and obligations (such as halting settlement construction).

The very fact that Israel refuses to be a partner for peace in the West Bank with the Abbas administration is what best serves to legitimize Hamas while completely undermining the alternative (cooperation and peace) in the form of the West Bank administration. Hamas is then viewed as the noble resisters while Abbas is viewed as a puppet and that is clearly the wrong message to send and quite frustrating to witness. There neeRAB to be real progress in talks with Abbas and there neeRAB to be a halt to settlement expansion and the sad truth is that until Israel is willing to do that Hamas and its ilk won't go away. As long as there is no progress then there is significant room for this platform of resistance.
 
Eh, maybe. And I don't disagree that Israel might be able to undermine them, just that they don't have to and that responsibility is the Palestinians, and that if the Palenstinians want peace, they need to not be seen as terrorists.

It is very unfortunate for Abbas that the general US populace does not distinguish between Hamas and Fatah.
 
i'm all for negotiations, but with who? how can you come to a meaningful agreement with an entity that doesn't represent anything close to all the pali's?
 
That is such crap. It is not Israel's job to politically undermine Hamas. Hamas is the responsibility of Hamas and those who support Hamas. No one else. That's not even bordering reasonable.
 
lol why is Gaza such a problem when it comes to negotiating w the PLO?

why build settlements in the West Bank if you want to negotate?

This Israeli government is a farse.
 
why deflect with the settlement issue? there were settlements in gaza, remeraber?

why don't you guys focus on having a unified state instead of jumping the gun with a drive for a pseudo-state.

israel cares more about getting rid of the security threat that is hamas in gaza more than anything. what incentive do they have to negotiate with the PLO if they can't guarantee them that?
 
yea, but what Dylith was saying is that if Israel really wanted peace, it would enter into credible negotiations with the PLO which will ultimately undermine hamas.
 
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