Transformers 2 Update

I find it funny when people say "your not going to believe it" when they've just told you that theres gonna be a twist. SounRAB interesting though.

and doesn't Matthew Marsden get around ;)
 
Yeah, they've worked it into the plot haven't they?

Looking forward to this. I was of the age when Transformers were the Big Thing, but I was a Star Wars and Action Force kid so they never appealed that much to me. However, I did watch the last film and was pleasantly surprised at how much fun it was. I typically hate Bay movies with a passion, but he seems to have found something he can actually do properly here.
 
Just found out that Bernie Mac died early this morning.

I found him rather irritating in Transformers, but it's sad to lose a decent actor at only 50 years old.
 
Is the twisting plot going to be Megan Fox pulling another face from the 'mouth open full lips' pose she did all throughout Transformers?

Nah i'm kidding though, I love her really :D
 
Lets see...

Potential plot twists could include:

1. The Bot/Con alliance to combat the threat of The Fallen.

2. The rejuvenation of Megatron as a Tank (but he won't be Galvatron) as rebuilt by the US government as part of the Bot/Con alliance - very Generation Two there!

3. The role of Jetfire in the movie as the scientist who figures out the Fallen's interest in Earth (that's if Mr Furman can be believed, although he did leak the fact that the Fallen in this movie is The Fallen from The War Within: The Dark Ages).

4. Prime creating the Creation Matrix from the shred of the All Spark left over from the first movie...and the splinter stuck in Sam's hand (very reminiscent of the Creation Matrix transfer storyline from the 1980s - which Jetfire also figured prominently in).

5. Arcee - how are they going to explain a female Transformer?

Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing Soundwave, Ravage and Laserbeak being introduced.
 
As far as Arcee goes I guess it depenRAB how much they have decided to filch from Furman's work in the IDW Transformers books.

The current incarnation of Arcee is the first female cybertronian...very much like a biblical Lillith in that respect...and she's completely psychotic because she doesn't truly understand what she is. Later attempts at introducing gender - Elita One, for example - are far more integrated, hence Arcee finRAB herself at odRAB with the world around her.

She's a discarded experiment of Nova Prime's theoretical strategist Jihaxus, who introduced the concept of gender to the Cybertronian race to see what effect it has on them. Her unstable personality has her de-sparked and locked up on the Autobot prison on Garrus 9 as the only level 9 threat and Autobot war criminal.

That would be a really brave interpretation of Arcee's character to be fair - and you couldn't really do it justice in the movie.

However, if they go with the Dreamwave version then it's much simpler. As Kup tells Ironhide, there's a lot of strange things that he's seen since Prime left Cybertron, but Arcee is the strangest of them all! :)

I hope they include Hot Rod actually - that would be great seeing Hot Rod and Arcee together (although, they could throw in Springer too - just for the whole love triangle situation!!!)

Jetfire's going to be a switch character too - maybe starting out as a Decepticon and then switching to the side of the Autobots later on...
 
holy crap! you know a lot about transformers.:eek:

i thought it was just an 80's cartoon.:o

so, it's a comic book series, too? which came first the cartoon or the comic book?

i was just watching the movie the other night and thinking, this isn't that bad. it got a little too sentimental towarRAB the end, but it was a great action film with simply the best cgi i've ever seen. watching it in hi-def really shows just how good the cgi is.:eek:

is there an omnibus type publication of the transformers series? i'd quite like to see/read about their world.
 
Okay, rough guide to Transformers:

The Marvel comic book series of the 1980s came out about 3 months before the cartoon - although the cartoon and comic were scheduled at the same time, there was a delay in the animation work at Sunbrow.

Initial stories in the comic and cartoon were very similar to the movie - Autobots & Decepticons are fighting a civil war on Cybertron, they end up on Earth and hostilities resume.

The comic book ran until 1991 - with a short lived "generation 2" in 1992 of about 18 issues. Following on from that Dreamwave publishing puchased rights to Transformers from Hasbro in 2001 & began a new series picking up from the end of series 2 of the cartoon.

Basically, the Autobots & Humans have defeated the Decepticons and are planning to return to Cybertron...until the Ark II explodes in mid flight - leaving people to believe that they are all dead. A scientist called Lazarus finRAB the bodies and starts to sell them as remote controlled WMRAB - at which point Spike finRAB Optimus Prime & revives him using a part of the matrix Prime gifted to him before leaving Earth. Cue a big fight, the destruction of San Francisco & the first series ended with Prime and the Autobots realising how much of a mess they'd made of two planets.

Second Dreamwave series was set on Cybertron - all the Autobots & Decepticons are arrested on Earth by the former Decepticon Shockwave, who has unified the factions and ended the civil war, as war criminals...until Prime discovers that Shockwave is planning to take over the Earth for some wider scheme...

Which was never revealled as Dreamwave went bust.

Cue the 2006 reboot, written by English writer Simon Furman (the "second" TF writer after original writer Bob Budiansky). This series is much darker in tone - the war on Cybertron has spread across the galaxy (with Cybertron itself a planetary husk) and it's a war of attrition with the Decepticons infiltrating planets with a type of clone to create unrest to the point of global annihilation. Once all the native inhabitants have killed each other off, the Decepticons scavenge the planets for resources.

The Autobots try to stop them, but can't risk exposing themselves for the fear of escalating the conflict too quickly, knowing that they can't actually win in a stand up fight against the Decepticons greater numbers & through the protocols laid down by both sides.

This series contains a far more "adult" approach to the Transformers - the Autobots know they can't save most planets that the Decepticons infiltrate (including the Earth). There's an interesting point that Prime feels guilty that the war has been going on this long because of his pacifistic views - he really doesn't want to fight - and he knows that it's effectively a losing cause. You've got the subtle ways that the Decepticons destablise planets & Starscream is just fantastic in the series!

They are all available in trade paperback form as follows:

Vol 1 Infiltration
Vol 2 Stormbringer
Vol 3 Escalation
Vol 4 Devastation
Vol 5 Revelation

You also have Megatron: Origin - detailing Megatron's rise to power within the Decepticon ranks from being a lowly Energon miner.

You can still get the Dreamwave series as well, including The War Within and The War Within: The Dark Ages - both written by Simon Furman & drawn by Don Figeuroa & Andrew Wildman.

Then you have the current series, All Hail Megatron, where the Autobots have abandoned Earth for a bigger crisis, leaving it wide open for the Decepticons to exploit. That series has just started.

Mmm, geeky Transformers nerd moi??? Guilty as charged! :)
 
Is blur, ultra magnus (primes old friend), gonna be in this one, i think after this one they should to a 3 where both sides help save the earth from the monster planet unicron after all it likes eating planets
 
I think it would be great to include Ultra Magnus - especially if they go with the whole "Prime's Brother" angle - plus Blur, maybe Kup & Springer...

I'd love to see Wheeljack, Prowl, Sideswipe and Sunstreaker, but there's only going to be about 10 robots for each side...

Maybe they could include Thundercracker & Skywarp on the side of the Decepticons - get the three founder members of the Decepticon Seekers in there!!
 
I hope they don't have it being black and white good guys versus bad guys. Not all the Decepticons are bad, and some of the Autobots are frankly arseholes. The Transformers are "everymen" who each have their own motives. Grimlock is an arrogant, and violent warrior who does not care about civilians and despises Optimus Prime, Thundercracker has doubts about the Decepticon cause, Mirage is a snob who cares little for the war he reluctantly fights, Sunstreaker is a vain egotist and sociopath, Swindle is a war profiteer, Dead End is a suicidal manic depressive etc.

This article gives a very good summary of the comics:
http://www.oneshallstand.com/articles/overview.html

The comics are very different to the cartoons in tone. Personally, I'd love to see Grimlock (the comics Grimlock, that is) in TF2 (his alt mode should be a military vehicle, not a dinosaur) arguing with Prime and showing a very different style of leadership.

The thing the comics are most famous for is the number of Decepticon leaders; a whole load of back-stabbing went on.

Just about every comic book shop has Transformers comics and compendiums. They are almost as ubiquitous and numerous as Spiderman and Batman comics.
 
Might be wrong here but I'm guessing that your American?

Simon Furman was also the main writer on the British (G1) comics, and added a lot of his own stories in between the stuff Budiansky wrote, and personally I though Furman's stuff was far far superior.


I'm a huge G1 geek!
 
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