Torrenting - Is the end getting closer ?

BT will be around until all the countries agree to outlaw the sites, and webhosts just stop allowing them to exist. Even then, sites could still be put up under the guise of a mail site or any site with a member logon. BT will be around for many years to come, not much anyone can do about it in the short term.
 
newsgroups are inferior to BT....

I don't see how a method that was here long before BT came about, and I'm sure will be around long after BT dies(not only that, but is faster and more secure), is "inferior". The only downfall of Usenet is that you have to actually pay for a good provider. But that one single little con by far outweighs all the many cons of BT, in my opinion. But everyone has their own views...
 
This thread is the perfect example of what's wrong with the BT World.

1) Up from the top, thizzkid is 100% right in everything he said, I just don't understand why people think it's so cool nowadays to hate on a protocol that's been on the drawing boards before they were born. The problem is, bittorrent, according to recent statistics, could account for upto 55% of all INTERNET TRAFFIC. Just hating something based one side of it is ridiculous. All communities/protocols have their ups and their downs, and half the people that "prefer" a different protocol are yet to experience its negative side as well.

There's not that many efficient, fast and community based protocols out there. I've been file sharing for as long as I remember, but I also know enough law to never get into a court over it.

Topsites? It's just paying for leech spots, newsgroups are better, at least they don't record your IP. Newsgroups? Expensive crap. I mean, no offense, I understand some people's fascination with it, but if you're going to pay to file SHARE, you have the wrong picture. Go to the store and buy it. Learn how to take the DRM off yourself, or even contact the company to remove it for you and offer you a license. Not that hard, a lot of companies I've worked at have obtained DRM-Free licensing on media and even protection-less industry grade programs.

DC Hubs? mIRC-based groups? There's a reason those two are nearly obsolete. They're slow, they're bogged down, they're unreliable, and politics play a more precarious part than even the most power hungry torrent website admins. I can't even remember how many times I had to follow my favorite DC community around because we kept getting hacked/shut down.

Whether you like it or not, Bittorrent is the only reliable AND optionally free protocol out there. If you're a friendly person, a million ratio-free, laid back tracker staff will take you in anywhere you want.

2) The community. When ScT shut down, within thirty minutes of the 48 hour announcement there were hundreds of people on the IRC trading. Personally? I don't see anything wrong with trading. Except, when it's done with the intention of gaining something. That's unfortunately where the bad community comes in. What I know is that trading only kills trackers because it's an endless cycle. Accounts on BitMeTV for example are traded 3-4 times, and then the cycle keeps going on. None of the people use it, they just use it as a stepping stone. And that's the issue, the hierarchy is what's killing the protocol. I remember being called an idealist on BCG when I insulted someone by saying that because he doesn't seed back on public trackers, he's killing torrenting, and I meant every word of it. There's no point to being on torrents if all someone will do is leech, go back to DCHubs for that. People automatically assume that "lower level trackers" are disposable, and constantly strive to get into the higher levels. That is hurting the protocol, and the community as a whole.

3) The people who constantly want BT to die. I mean GOD, if you hate the damn thing so much, stop browsing dang forums related to it. This applies to nearly everyone in this thread. If BT accounts for less than 5% of your downloads, fine, but your forum activity should also resemble that figure. The people on private trackers that keep screaming "This tracker is going to die" then why the fuck are you even there? It's simple you're there because you think it's entertaining watching something strive to succeed.

I guess my main point is the community is killing BT. All the silly rules, all the ridiculous hierarchical systems in place, all the lamers that want it to die without understanding how much the world would end up losing on such a successful protocol.

FST is the bigger picture. FST is a proper representation. Many a times I meet someone absolutely polite and pleasant on a "high level tracker" and they end up explaining how influential they are on FST. This place does serve an ego of its own, and the beauty is, people here are unafraid of showing it off, because they're hidden behind a random pseudonym. As the old quote goes, "Give a man a mask, and he will tell you who he is." The same applies here at FST, hidden behind proxies, behind random aliases, everyone behaves as themselves, and shows off their true e-penis, this place shows exactly what's killing BT. It's the people that want it to die, it's the same people who are trading, it's the same people who don't understand what file SHARING is, and are in it for as long as the boat is sailing, but will bail out given the chance.

I realize I might have seemed hostile, but none of what I said is meant to be offensive.
 
I like all the specialty BT sites, back in the days of FTP and Newsgroups you couldn't depend on the quality and quantity of weird shit. Now it's abundant. Plus browsing various media is easier via BT sites... sometimes I just wanna find a new movie, that is +action +comedy from year 2010 that has more than 300 seeders, or something like that.
 
No I no longer do. I barely use bt nowadays.
Blame it on FST. It showed me the darkest corners of that world. If you took a look at the report section, you would agree with me without a blink.

What do you use now adays then?

There are bad people where every you go, although I have no idea what kind of stuff you are seeing in the report section that deters you from BT.

Its the fastest method of filesharing and pretty underground on most sites.
 
True for TT, but MV have mostly non-scene content. I guess MV is one of very few trackers that can't be replaced, or would need too much time to get even close to it.

Really? But could you kindly take a look at whether people are snatching the scene content more or the non-scene? I can tell you most of them are just there for the e-penis, seeing that not many are actually interested in music videos.
 
newsgroups are inferior to BT....

BT wont stop, and you that dont want to "donate" your time and money in BT and instead waste your time with newsgroups will regret it in time to come.

Not everybody is sucked up in this so called "dark BT economy" well it is if you are part of it yourself, there will always be users/admins etc.. with bad intentions.... But the good or shall is say "normal" people will always outway the bad... If you emerge yourself in the bad parts of BT then too bad for you because your ruining it for yourself...

BT is great, all the people ive met are really cool down-to-earth people.

There is always a market for something, if there is a demand there will be a supplier, when and if isp's start blocking BT then a new one will emerge that doesnt...

BT wont die it will get stronger as time goes on.

BT fanboi? :lol:

This reminds me of the old Sega-Nintendo wars (allthough I was very young I read about them later).
 
I don't think torrenting will ever end in the near future. While public trackers got a big blow in 2009, private trackers have never been bigger. More and more private trackers are popping up every day.
I totally agree... I also noticed a trend towards private trackers after the big public ones got hit. This somehow excludes the majority of ppl though... So i'm not sure if this is a good development for the Filesharing community. Of course it's a great thing once you are in one of those private trackers and everyone is seeding and you get the most insane DL speeds but I find some too exclusive and hard to get in. When I read more and more about ppl selling invites to private trackers it just makes me sad.
I found Winny, Share and PerfectDark some very interesting concepts for Filesharing and hope it catches on also outside of Japan/Asia.
 
Yea right,in that about 5% is the real traffic,rest are buffers which no one use.Seriously does anyone use the SCC packs apart from making buffer?


Pay 11$ and get everything you want or pay 40$ for a decent seedbox for a month and keep all the private trackers alive which you use less than 10% of the actual buffer you make.
Also the old torrents which are dead.Newsgroups or Rapidshare has no such problem.
Have you ever bought a seedbox to buffer you accounts? Have you ever Donated to a site to immune yourself from inactivity,or for getting invites or for getting buffers?Then you are paying to leech.

Valid points, however allow me to disagree. Yes, I do use the SCC packs whether you believe me or not. I have the alias S01-S05 pack bookmarked, and I've been unable to find such a pack anywhere else. I'm waiting to download it once I free up some hard drive space. So to answer your questions, SCC's archive section is freeleech which means that besides building a buffer, it's a great repository for full seasons etc. For example, I don't waste my time watching seasons of shows, I wait for the show to end, then download the full season and watch it through on a fun weekend. I've known a lot of people that do the same. SCC is a great resource for that, and due to its pretimes it's also usually one of the first to have that kind of pack up, while other trackers are still trying to put up the last episode on the tracker first.

Let me reiterate about torrents. They are optionally free. No one really forces anyone to pay for torrenting. Not unless you're on some pseudo-topsite wannabe tracker. There are people out there who have never spent a dime on torrenting, and yet are ratio immune on even the highest quality/most difficult to seed trackers because they're VIPs, with nothing but community involvement to warrant their position.

I don't donate because I want invites, heck, I'm perfectly happy never inviting a single soul to any tracker. I donate because I enjoy my time on a tracker, and am appreciative of what they are doing/risking. Most of the time, I end up asking the tracker staff to strip me of any extra features that I get.

Now let me also explain why I feel my donations are due. Where else but on BitMe could I find a torrent that encompasses four years' worth of Law School notes? Where else but on HDBits could I find (when they start) the complete winter olympics capped in HDTV, for when I can't do it myself?

If you think "leeching" from the Scene is the only thing possible through trackers, then you will remain stuck on the fact that you're paying for it. Genuinely, some of the material found on private trackers is never found anywhere else, and I'm perfectly content feeling that I've "paid" in return for the favor of hosting the data.
 
It is true. What other ways to get into topsites are there? Being part of a group and working your bum off, while risking your safety? Starting a network with donations to get it going and hope you're successful? Donating hardware that costs money? Being a source? Being a leak?

Please, everything has its merits and it's weak points, no system is perfect, neither is BT. But to WANT BT to die without realizing what it is is sheer stupidity.

By the way, if BT ever dies, kiss the best top-sites goodbye. They are after all funded by "top site" donations, most of the time.
 
I found Winny, Share and PerfectDark some very interesting concepts for Filesharing and hope it catches on also outside of Japan/Asia.

Using them seems to me beyond the regular filesharing experience, I couldn't even get them up and running. Maybe I'm stupid :pinch:

Anyway BT is by far one of the most advanced and prolific p2p technologies. Don't misjudge it by recent popularity decrease, it caused by authorities pressure in first place and has nothing to do with its design. Maybe it's gonna be surpassed by more advanced technology, but first someone should invent it :happy: I don't see it coming too soon.
 
I'm not going to advocate other members needs, I'm downloading non-scene. VOB selection is much bigger than scene there.
My point is, MV torrent quantity and exclusivity is too hard to substitute, I thought it's pretty clear :ermm:
 
Pretend is correct. I made a similar cry earlier on in this thread. Some torrent trackers offer material unavailable everywhere else. HDBits and Bitme come into mind from my experience, and clearly MV fits the quota.

Asking for torrenting to end is asking for a SOURCE not a simple distribution service to end.
 
2. FST reflects the good and the bad in bt.
Great post. As one man said, this forum is the only true representation of BT community, and this community is full of shit. BT is not only being destroyed by outside (ISP caps and limits, courts, etc), but from inside too, by it's own community. IDK how it's gonna last, nobody knows, but the fact is that BT as we see it nowadays is diyng steadily. What will be next? Maybe BT will reorganize, maybe newsgroups will take its place... We'll see.
 
Let me reiterate about torrents. They are optionally free. No one really forces anyone to pay for torrenting. Not unless you're on some pseudo-topsite wannabe tracker. There are people out there who have never spent a dime on torrenting, and yet are ratio immune on even the highest quality/most difficult to seed trackers because they're VIPs, with nothing but community involvement to warrant their position.

If you think "leeching" from the Scene is the only thing possible through trackers, then you will remain stuck on the fact that you're paying for it. Genuinely, some of the material found on private trackers is never found anywhere else, and I'm perfectly content feeling that I've "paid" in return for the favor of hosting the data.

Completely echoed my thoughts there. Thx :)
 
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