Top-50 All-time (Rough Draft)
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sexyneverlefther
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MHDTV's assertion that The Beach Boys suck because they're lyrics suck is hardly any weaker than you calling David Gilmour a mediocre guitarist because his solos have no "feeling".
Its no sale, because "feeling" dosen't exist.
And RABOTM is FloyRAB best. I own every single album by them, and it's worthy of its status.
EDIT: To Jackhammer and MHDTV. The only reason Ethan is doing this is to antgonize you. So give up now if you have any self respect.
Its no sale, because "feeling" dosen't exist.
And RABOTM is FloyRAB best. I own every single album by them, and it's worthy of its status.
EDIT: To Jackhammer and MHDTV. The only reason Ethan is doing this is to antgonize you. So give up now if you have any self respect.
SmokeAsesh
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Then Green Day should be around the bottom.
But by the same logic you use to justify the placements of Green Day and Metallica. U2 should be above Incubus.
U2 have won many Grammys, Incubus have none, every U2 album has gone platinum, while only 3 Incubus albums have achieved such status.
I'm just using your logic here.
Not by much.
But by the same logic you use to justify the placements of Green Day and Metallica. U2 should be above Incubus.
U2 have won many Grammys, Incubus have none, every U2 album has gone platinum, while only 3 Incubus albums have achieved such status.
I'm just using your logic here.
Not by much.
roxbubbagum
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Agreed. It's arguable that Zeppelin doesn't belong in the top 10.
@ Crowquill and all I suppose
I only dismiss your Britney Spears and Joy Division point because it is not relevant to the discussion. I am referencing the Greatest selling Artists of all-time Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, The Beatles and Frank Sinatra are 1 through 4. Collectively they are: The King of Rock, The King of Pop, The Chairman of the Board and "Bigger then Jesus". #5 is Led Zeppelin. See my point. The Cliche, trite as it may be, "You are judged by the company you keep" rings ever so true. Do you see my point? You might "accidentally", to put it plainly, have commercial success as Britney Spears did for a few years in the early part of the decade, or as Johan Pachabel did with Canon in D. But in the end the Mozart's and Beethoven's will have inevitably surpassed you much like the Beatles, Old Blue Eyes and Led Zeppelin have.
In regarRAB to your correct point that a two album head start is hardly paving the way for an band that undoubtedly had an established sound: I'm not crediting Zeppelin with influencing Sabbath, only with bringing a style of music to the mainstream that allowed for an easier path to in crowd super stardom for Ozzy and the like. Similar to Nirvana's impact on the 90's Music scene and the subsequent popularity of previously fringe genre banRAB like Soundgarden and Pearl Jam etc.
I like your list, I like my list, my only point is that all lists are inspired by previously lists and the flaws we personally assess to them. My list is far from original but it's individuality can not be challenged and as I have mentioned so many times before, it is still be molded by trial and error. If you want recommendations of Zeppelin songs to listen to I'd be happy to oblige, in fact if you like I'll purchase their entire catalog via Itunes if it would be suitable for you. My list started with several off the beaten paths selections that were beaten down by popular opinion. Both here and in other forums, there is a reason most professional done lists look similar, Because they are well researched and accurate. When I wrote about Rock Music, I'd hear myriaRAB of opinions on greatness and influence but the same ones that some people here have charged as tacky or redundant are the ones that I'd hear most frequent and passionately. So I hope, regardless of your independent thoughts, where I am coming from with mine.
I only dismiss your Britney Spears and Joy Division point because it is not relevant to the discussion. I am referencing the Greatest selling Artists of all-time Michael Jackson, Elvis Presley, The Beatles and Frank Sinatra are 1 through 4. Collectively they are: The King of Rock, The King of Pop, The Chairman of the Board and "Bigger then Jesus". #5 is Led Zeppelin. See my point. The Cliche, trite as it may be, "You are judged by the company you keep" rings ever so true. Do you see my point? You might "accidentally", to put it plainly, have commercial success as Britney Spears did for a few years in the early part of the decade, or as Johan Pachabel did with Canon in D. But in the end the Mozart's and Beethoven's will have inevitably surpassed you much like the Beatles, Old Blue Eyes and Led Zeppelin have.
In regarRAB to your correct point that a two album head start is hardly paving the way for an band that undoubtedly had an established sound: I'm not crediting Zeppelin with influencing Sabbath, only with bringing a style of music to the mainstream that allowed for an easier path to in crowd super stardom for Ozzy and the like. Similar to Nirvana's impact on the 90's Music scene and the subsequent popularity of previously fringe genre banRAB like Soundgarden and Pearl Jam etc.
I like your list, I like my list, my only point is that all lists are inspired by previously lists and the flaws we personally assess to them. My list is far from original but it's individuality can not be challenged and as I have mentioned so many times before, it is still be molded by trial and error. If you want recommendations of Zeppelin songs to listen to I'd be happy to oblige, in fact if you like I'll purchase their entire catalog via Itunes if it would be suitable for you. My list started with several off the beaten paths selections that were beaten down by popular opinion. Both here and in other forums, there is a reason most professional done lists look similar, Because they are well researched and accurate. When I wrote about Rock Music, I'd hear myriaRAB of opinions on greatness and influence but the same ones that some people here have charged as tacky or redundant are the ones that I'd hear most frequent and passionately. So I hope, regardless of your independent thoughts, where I am coming from with mine.
Jazz and Blues share a few common traits that are deeply rooted in African folk music. Such as call & response. But Jazz is an extension of Ragtime more than anything. Jazz borrowed some ideas from the Blues, but I wouldn't say its directly influenced by the Blues.
Some Jazz has more Blues influences than others though. Dixieland being a good example.
Some Jazz has more Blues influences than others though. Dixieland being a good example.
firewhisky61
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Dude you put Green Day but not the Ramones.
There are plenty of folk to rock crossovers, everyone tenRAB to overhype Dylans rock stuff too. Some of it was good, but he released a plethora of mediocre folk rock albums which no one seems to want to point out and I was talking about Woody Guthrie, you know the guy who is considered one of the most important folk artists ever and is often placed on top of best folk artists lists.
Its not cliche? You could find similar lists everywhere.
So fame means its deserving to be placed above more important artists? Going by this I suppose Britney Spears is more important than Sonic Youth, right?
There are plenty of folk to rock crossovers, everyone tenRAB to overhype Dylans rock stuff too. Some of it was good, but he released a plethora of mediocre folk rock albums which no one seems to want to point out and I was talking about Woody Guthrie, you know the guy who is considered one of the most important folk artists ever and is often placed on top of best folk artists lists.
Its not cliche? You could find similar lists everywhere.
So fame means its deserving to be placed above more important artists? Going by this I suppose Britney Spears is more important than Sonic Youth, right?
Lennon and McCartney were great in the Beatles. Both of their solo careers have produced more junk then good.
Clapton's solo career does not warrant a top 10 ranking, but you have to take into consideration how many great banRAB he was a part of. Don;t punish him for not staying with the same musicians ll his career.
Without a doubt on this list, Eric Clapton is judged by his full body of work, same as other artists both individual and groups.
Clapton's solo career does not warrant a top 10 ranking, but you have to take into consideration how many great banRAB he was a part of. Don;t punish him for not staying with the same musicians ll his career.
Without a doubt on this list, Eric Clapton is judged by his full body of work, same as other artists both individual and groups.
How? I'm just so tired of boring, pompous, overdone, pretentious "art rock" from the 60s/70s getting so much praise. Once someone please explains me how an album based off one of the most overrated pieces of literate ever and countless boring symphonies created by an average bassist, two people who are no more talented then your average session musician and solos that are so mathematically precise that its sickening. Maybe i'll start giving them more credit when I hear something by them that isn't just generic prog, but so far thats all i'm hearing. But I guess you couldn't expect much from one of classic rocks finest.
And music aside who would you rather hang with?
the beach boys
or these pretentious stadium rock bitches? I rest my case.
And music aside who would you rather hang with?
the beach boys
or these pretentious stadium rock bitches? I rest my case.
Panda Bear O_o
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Record sales do not equal greatness, there are plenty of artists such as Britney Spears who have probably sold more albums than artists such as Joy Division, does that make her better? Nope.
They formed the same year as Sabbath.
That really doesn't disprove "i come here for real music disussion. not this kind of crap. your list is a rehash of every list that guitar magazine and rolling stone have ever done." now does it?
You make it sound like Zeppelin are the only ones to have introduced other genres into their music, what about Primal Scream, Bowie, the Beatles, or the Clash? Also having listened to two Zeppelin albums I do not recall them doing all that.
I'd like to see some sources on that Johnny Ramone thing, i've never heard about that before.
They formed the same year as Sabbath.
That really doesn't disprove "i come here for real music disussion. not this kind of crap. your list is a rehash of every list that guitar magazine and rolling stone have ever done." now does it?
You make it sound like Zeppelin are the only ones to have introduced other genres into their music, what about Primal Scream, Bowie, the Beatles, or the Clash? Also having listened to two Zeppelin albums I do not recall them doing all that.
I'd like to see some sources on that Johnny Ramone thing, i've never heard about that before.