The**OFFICIAL**Voice/Singing Help Thread

Anything bad for the body is bad for the corRAB. Thats the general truth, obviously. Some people are more sensitive to some things than others. Theres just so much that goes on in the body with sodium and it always involves water. I don't know enough to write alot about it without possibly sticking my foot in my mouth at some point. I would say at least try to get more potassium to help balance out the sodium/potassium pump systems. If we remember from science class potassium and sodium are buddys in the body and its usually the lack of potassium that causes sodium problems(besides the extra work that so much sodium puts on the kidneys)

Bananas are pretty cheap. I recommend eating at least four a day for anyone, but for you ...hehe. Who knows. Kiwi also have a good bit.


chest is simply your mid to low notes, make a low e and you feel it in your chest, yes? Head voice is basically your upper range, but not falsetto. Head voice notes resonate in the head and you can kinda feel the note vibrating around the temples. The frequency of the resonance of the vibrational patterns of the corRAB provides for these sympathetic vibrations. Falsetto is the airy high girly sound. Think prince or the beegees. Head voice requires a bit of coordination between some muscles groups and as such many people either can't really use it and skip over it, or try to "pull" the chest voice mechanism into higher notes. Head voice is considered true voice and falsetto isnt because falsetto doesnt vibrate in a full cycle and doesnt produce as much resonance, buzz and warmth.

Start off with funner things. Just sing. but remember to relax and stay open like when youre saying ahh for the doctor. As a matter of fact you can sing your favorite song with only Ah's. SounRAB crazy but I still do it at times with all vowels. Just sing normal songs(not alot of screaming or overpushed notes). Post a sample or three. I would say get the motor boat drills down. you should be able to hold a lip trill on any note and slide down or up to your next ones. Get your foundation strong, which is breath support. You could have the best vocal setup in the worl but with no breath support youre useless. Next work on doing glisses silky smooth from lowes to highest and highest to lowest. No falsetto until you know your head voice. Working on glisses and finding your head voice is very important. But hopefully you like lots of clean normal vocals to sing along to and work with. so go with breath support first, then head voice. Relax, ahhh's, and keep the lower jaw loose and think about forming your worRAB with your lower jaw.


It doesnt take an "expert" to realize your diet sucks. yess....horrid is a nice word. You are what you eat. Your corRAB run off of the same thing the rest of your body does and repairs the same. Who knows what's going on. Sometimes you have a fluke day or two. Are you trying to be vegetarian and using everything else under the sun to eat just so you can say youre vegetarian? Believe me, any doctor would tell you youre better off eating lean meats, than half of the stuff you listed. Who knows if your vocal status is directly related to it now. But come on. And yea, dairy and vocal corRAB are like water and oil.


Anything bad for the body is bad for the corRAB. Thats the general truth, obviously. Some people are more sensitive to some things than others. Theres just so much that goes on in the body with sodium and it always involves water. I don't know enough to write alot about it without possibly sticking my foot in my mouth at some point. I would say at least try to get more potassium to help balance out the sodium/potassium pump systems. If we remember from science class potassium and sodium are buddys in the body and its usually the lack of potassium that causes sodium problems(besides the extra work that so much sodium puts on the kidneys)

Bananas are pretty cheap. I recommend eating at least four a day for anyone, but for you ...hehe. Who knows. Kiwi also have a good bit.

If your "warmup" is causing detrimental affects, its not a warm up and youre doing something wrong.

Intensity and Duration. Are you pushing too hard with your warmup notes? are you holding notes too long or warming up too long?

Do you really think youre doing things write if you can only be "in the zone" for ten minutes? And what type of vocals are you doing during performance?
IN general the longer the performance the shorter your warmup, and vice versa. It will take time to figure out what you need but there are no set in stone rules. If you really want to try it without warming up do it. You won't die. But I recommend at least five minutes.
 
I spent years trying to figure out how to manipulate my voice to do what professional singers would consider basic, such as singing in-tune. I thought that the more I sang, the more I would sing in-tune, etc. To an extent, this was true, but I was never able to significantly improve my singing because my technique was fundamentally wrong. I sing rock-type music, and the way I was trying to produce sound was making it super difficult to sing on pitch and in the style I aspired to. I finally swallowed my pride and tried taking singing lessons from a bona fide professional opera singer. As it turns out, the "right" way, or the healthy way, to sing one is pretty much the same, regardless of the style you want to sing. So in a year I have learned that I didn't have an intonation problem. My pitch problem was caused by a total lack of air supporting the notes I was trying to sing.

Anyway, long story short, I don't think that any amount of practicing, reading books, or watching web demos by myself, would have corrected the fundamental technical flaws I kept relying on. It took an actual human professional to guide me...
 
true...well if anyone has anything like this to post in here, feel free. That one guy that posted his voice at the end of page 4 in here sounded really great, imo....

Okay well I read over some stuff, and listened to all 5 samples of yours (merkeba) and recorded me again. Merkeba, you do only have 5 voice samples correct?

Well anyway heres me making a fool out of myself again.


http://s58.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=34VHB0327HWBA22LLNBRK5G43I


I hear the same thing...it sounRAB like im making the same mistake. I dunno. I tried to let my voice ring out though, rather than just sorta making grunts, and my throat is kinda sore. I felt the rasp, it felt like it came from the very top of my throat, like kinda behind my head haha. That's where its sore though...

Anyone have any comments?
 
hey .

Just wondering, when i'm alone singing along to songs at home, just mellowing out in the garden with the band or recording, i can sing a bit higher (chest voice, not falsetto), but in band practise and gig situations my voice feels restricted.

Is this cause i'm putting too much strain on myself and my vocal chorRAB to project it more or what?

cheersx
 
There is no trick....not to much of this. The trick is maybe in understand a few things about the corRAB and larynx and how when you go up in pitch you can actually back off of push a little, and that you shouldnt be able to "blow out a candle" when you sing. Its not about a large amount of air, its about the pressure you keep behind the corRAB. Little understandings could be tricks. But for the most part if you can't sing with expression its because you "can't sing" If youre worried about anything , especially about your singing, then this will always lead to a tense larynx. A "trick" in the understanding, like I say. Again, remember the cartoons, when they are about to get killed or clobered, they always gulp....swallow, that sound. Its because the larynx naturally gets ready to close up and the breath gets shallow due to the tense situation, even in real life situations, like getting pulled over by the cops are a near miss in a car. You can feel it in your throat. This to some degree will occur when youre tense on stage as well. This is why you need to practice and be able to get into muscle memory what it feels like to sing normally, with noone around to judge you. So you can break as many notes as you need in order to learn....especially if youre "worried" or if youre not a "natural". A high tense larynx will always lead to reduced range and inconsistent if not shltty tone, etc. The larynx raises when you swallow to block airflow so you dont choke...so naturally you dont want any part of this if you want easy airflow for singing. Isolating the corRAB movement from the larynx through practice and normal singing scales,glisses, etc is key.


Singing in key is simply muscle memory if youre not a "natural". All you can do is sing scales along with an instrument of choice while playing notes and scales, then try to replicate it without the instrument. Legatto and staccatto. (continuously smooth, and broken) Play around with it, and also try to sing extra melodies.lyrics, fills, scat, whatever, to your favorite songs in between verses or song breaks. And yes, a tense larynx will increase a chance of being out of tune.
 
Alright. Thanks. I've cut out the top ramen for a couple days and it seems to make a difference.

Ohhh gawd. I hate those things. :p I've been eating plenty of apples though.



haha. I've been a vegetarian my entire life. However, until recently, my diet was very healthy. None of that crap I listed above. I used to eat tons of fruits, veggies and such, every day. I'm just lazy with my diet. I don't eat meat/fish because I think it's just nasty. Smell & taste. Right now, I'd call myself a heart attack in the making, though I'm only 18. lol. I really gotta get with it. (I have a health smart/food smart/etc mother, hahah, who says it's a miracle I'm not ultra sick).



This was my problem for a while. I'd scream/growl for a while without warming up. It starting taking a toll, so I stopped. Now anything past singing along to a tune, I warm up following your guides. It makes a world of difference. I really notice the biggest difference in comfort, volume and projection when I warm up with your guides.

I was singing earlier and clears felt pretty good. My voice is sorta 85/90 % for clears now, so I went really light. For harshs it's like 60 or 75 % , so I only did two songs, really light.
I don't want to push anything and hurt myself.

While I was taking a break over the last few days, I worked on breath exercises ALOT, espiecally last night. Isolation and such. It cannot hurt to improve on something, even if already solid.

Thanks for all your help and time.
btw. I'm Charming, 57th Medical Failure, hollowpainting. I get banned alot and make many accounts frequently. ^)^

If I could ask one question, how does one do a voice like the following:
http://www.myspace.com/lightthiscity

My growls are sorta a lighter version of Amon Amarth/TBDM, screams are hard to compare, but I still need less rasp.

haha. This will take years to grasp perfectly.

THanks again.
 
Does anyone know what voice Davey Havok uses when he sings? I wanna sound more like him, I try to sing along to his songs, but they always pretty much kick my ***. I wanna extend my range, but I don't know where to start.

Also, how can I get a good punk voice going, or what is the proper way to do it? I have so much more respect for punk now because I tried singing along to some and it's harder than it looks. I thought it was just a bunch of loud yelling, but there must be more to it.

The song I'm trying to learn is The Unseen - Scream Out, I can pretty much do the verses, but the chorus can get a little hard, cause I like to go a little overboard and I yell really loud and sometimes my voice cracks and yeah..

I also used to play a lot of hardcore stuff, so I will sometimes turn my raspy yells into a scream without even realizing it, I wanna get out of this habit.
 
Hey, I started singing for my band about 2 - 3 months ago (no lessons or anything). I sing stuff like LTJ, Jimmy Eat World etc, it's fine at the start but like halfway through the song I find I lose it a bit, maybe it's out of my range? I dunno. Sometimes it's ok, sometimes it's hard I dunno. You see I dont want to sing it in a lower voice because I can't project it like that, sounRAB much better when it's higher, I just can't keep it going for ages without it taking its toll on my throat, maybe I should try some of these exercises people do with their necks and stuff...
 
This is definitely whistle. If you want to strengthen it and work with it be sure to do clean voice singing, and to warm down after a workout.


You must do more normal voice singing. Pure and simple
 
umm i hate to sound stupid here and all....but isolating the vocal corRAB? i just wanna know what this is doing exactly. i do know its a good thing, but what exactly does it do? and also what exactly is the difference between scales, doing the smooth thing like a siren, and the stacatto?
 
Nothing will help you more than clean voice singing in a workout type of atmosphere. Aggressive, forceful, with lots of head voice. It will keep your corRAB supple and keep them flexible and strong which lenRAB its hand into more consistant vibration and stamina. I'm not sure about lamb of god. Are they high or low or mid, screaming wise? it wont make much of a difference though.
 
Did you do warmups. You should always do Vowels (AEIO) Do each one for about a minute and a half. And maybe do some other workouts. Sorry if you allready do. You may be pushing too much. Are you trying to be loud? If so just try to keep it at a speaking level. And sing into a PA or amp with some treble.
 
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