STN goes P2L

Wow, I missed this line the first time I read it. "Following this 14 days i.e. Trial expiry any accounts that have not adopted a sponsorship slot will be disabled.. and finally 7 days after this the accounts will be pruned permanently if the user has opted not to make a sponsorship adoption of Euro 3."

So if you dont "donate" then they will disable you? lmao. What a bunch of douche bags. They are asking for it in more ways than one. First they are strait out selling their "content" which may raise some organizations awareness. Second, they are asking for a scene-notice. And maybe even for someone to hack the sh*t out of them.

I will be really surprised if this site is still around in a couple months...
 
Rart said:
It's incredibly easy to seed at TL and power users get 2 invites every month. There is absolutely no need to donate at all. You can donate if you want to support the tracker, or if you're too dumb/connection isn't good enough to keep a ratio.

For STN, if you dont donate, you're banned from the tracker.

That's so similar. Why hadn't I seen it before?
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No doubt about, tl is my first, i just love it, but....... seriously, cut the crap.

Theyre doing it for the money. no need to discuss it.

About stn or whatever, its the same shit has usenet, or any other tracker that, requires a seedbox to survive.

The first time i saw 1 giveaway, where the word seedbox required, was mentioned, if im not mistaken, it was @ s zzzzzz t 2 or 3 years ago.

p2p is not generally free. ( exceptions ? there are some, not many )
 
sez said:
Capitalism's a religion that makes Satan a god and teaches self-righteous people to embrace a facade.It ain't wrong to make money legit or illegal but its treason when you turn your back on your people.Word?
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Kinda. Capitalism can be great if you don't overdo it. Like everything, really.
 
If they are albe to get those 1700 sponsorship slots filled, then what should we expect?every tracker doing the same?
 
STN was marketed as a new 0day tracker wherein the site was ratio free, and many of the users could, in exchange for bonus points or as a donor, directly request/download scene/DDL/p2p releases. New torrents were uploaded by the truckload, and the pretimes were fairly decent for such a new tracker (http://filenetworks.blogspot.com/2009/09/storethenet-ratio-free-scene-tracker.html). As of such, the hype generated around it was quite generous and it faired a lot better than most new 0day trackers that end up dying due to lack of activity.

At first the site seemed to have a lot of potential, with the only downside being that you needed to donate in order to get scene/ddl requests. No biggie, its just an added perk for donators. When STN began to advertise "lifetime accounts" where for a hefty price of 250 euros one could receive "unlimited requests" and become part of a "special userclass" that got to vote on new staff members, I began to worry. Why is this tracker going to such lengths to get donations?

Now I log in today, to see this posted on the front page:

The StN Egalitarian Ethos

Now although this has never been tried before, StN effective immediately is implementing an
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Most somewhat buzzworthy trackers get great donations in month 1 but then dry up. It's a part of the general trend of higher torrent and forum/irc activity.
 
Actually, I quoted, then deleted the bb code and the irrelevant words. I probably should have added an "(sp)" after "establish".
 
Their staff made a somewhat good argument. I don't fully agree with them. What do you guys think?

From STN staff:
There is not a single site that is bit-torrent (p2p) that is not p2l
Here is my logic.
Sites that sell donations (SCT, etc) are p2l
Sites that have ads are p2l
Sites that you click on anything or are forced to view something are p2l
sites that are ratio based are p2l (as you pay with your bw that costs you something).

So there are NO sites that are p2p that aren't p2l, because p2p is inherently p2l.

Ratio Free trackers, are a bit different, no one is forced to use any bandwidth, you can just seed for the minimum period. It can be at 1k/s across all torrents. (which is throttling, and some sites duh, just figured out now that people are throttling).

I had two options. Stop accepting donations, and just run the site for myself and if people want to be here fine (but no suggestions, no help, no comments), it's just here, or b. let a few people donate here and there. It didn't feel right letting some people donate, and then others just leech, bitch, moan, complain, and basically drag the site down.

So if you find value in the site. Sponsor it, if you don't, then move along.
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Never pay for warez!


That1Guy said:
Second, they are asking for a scene-notice. And maybe even for someone to hack the sh*t out of them.
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Yep, the release scene will be enthusiastic about a P2P site selling the stuff they shared for free.

On the other hand. It's pretty common that 0-day trackers pay for scene access. So don't shout P2L too loud.

It's up for the enduser to decide. Usually it doesn't work when you're trying to make people pay.

I'm not a member of that site and If I was I'd be gone as soon as it becomes mandatory to pay.
 
How ever they word it or try to explain it means one thing the site is pay to leech glad I aint a member saves me having an account disabled then pruned :)
 
filenetworks said:
As far as I know, Docs.Torrents.Ro and Tv.Torrents.Ro neither display ads nor take donations. I'm sure there are more.
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Thats good to know! Glad to know there are some trackers out there that aren't just out for making money. I'm curious to know how they keep their server bills up though...

I think that tvtorrentz also doesn't take donations and they have no ads either.
 
I think that is a load of crap. I can DEFINITELY think of one (probably more) site thatr doesnt do anyone of those.

And this "sites that are ratio based are p2l (as you pay with your bw that costs you something)." made me lol tbh. But like I said there are definitely trackers that dont do any of those things. Even if their list wasnt a load of crap (imo of course :P ).

Oh wait... I suppose that when I browse a site it costs me time also so maybe they ARE all P2L! :lol:

edit: this does make sense though: "So if you find value in the site. Sponsor it, if you don't, then move along." Which I have a feeling they will find people will do.

2nd edit: their terms and conditions is a freakin gold mine. It seriously looks like it was written by some teenage tweeker or something. :lol: I was gonna copy and paste some here, but it would have been a book. I cant even force myself to get through all of it, but im sure there is some CLASSIC stuff in there. Just one part that I thought was funny is "AND MAY INTERRUPT OR DISCONTINUE OFFERING THIS WEBSITE IN WHOLE OR PART AT ANY TIME WITHOUT NOTICE. " I wonder where they are going?

Maybe I should not have copied and pasted that... because "All contents on this website, both textual and graphic, including but not limited to computer code and images, and all e-mail or other messages or correspondence from **** are the property of ***** are copyrighted, and may not be reproduced or published without permission." But i think Im fine because I didnt agree right? :P

I usually wont bash trackers, and definitely not in public. But seriously what a joke.
 
Forced donations are different than other sites giving upload credit for money, except vizz. No other sites force donatations!You get kicked off if you don't donate, that is desperate and shady. Would NOT join STN or whatever other site!

nethawk said:
Their staff made a somewhat good argument. I don't fully agree with them. What do you guys think?

From STN staff:
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:rolleyes:
 
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