STN goes P2L

FTP Access? :dabs:

And for 500 euros, you get "unlimited transfer"!

Also, curious as to what you guys think of this...

I started this as a different topic because people have strong opinions about it.

There is no getting around a few things.

Any tracker that is currently running, is doing 1 of two things from a "LEGAL" standpoint.
A. Conspiring to distribute copyrighted material (I.E. Theft)
or
B. Facilitating the distribution of stolen/pirated programs.

Without blowing my entire load as to my professional opinion and potential legal defense in the future. (My dad was a federal judge before he died, my sister is an attorney, my wife is an attorney, and I have more family members if various parts of the legal system than I care to count.)

By moving to a sponsorship model, it does something else besides making the playing field equal for all the participants. It also, makes it nearly impossible for any "new" sponsor to do anything legally to the tracker.
It prevents any OLD sponsor from moving forward with any "old" information, as there is no continuance of a crime.

I'll address some of the concerns from the other thread:

[bringing additional light, heat, etc onto the tracker because it is accepting sponsors.]

1. Security by obscurity is retarded at best, as much as BCG, GFT and the likes think they are safe, they are sadly mistaken.
2. Super Elite trackers get busted all the time. Just look at what happened to UK-T. Hardly anyone had access, they had very little users. and Next to no publicity.
3. Being large, or small, donation, no donation. If you get on someone's radar, game over. There is no way to prevent it, no way to reduce it
4. The minute the site has a seedbox, they themselves are distributing the stolen material.

[Sponsoring, donation, is morally against my fabric, wrong, etc].
I'll say it again, all P2P trackers are pay to leech. Period.
All P2P are breaking the law period. (I am unaware of any p2p tracker soly distributing legal content)
Everyone downloading from a tracker is breaking the law. (Some countries have no laws like mine, so you may be exempt locally, but the US,AU,EU have all been known to have a long reach).
Sorry if theses things offend you but it is the truth.
Downloading software whether you intend to use it or not via p2p, is breaking the law.
By allowing people to sponsor to stay, we've given STN one of the most legal footings possible, years ahead of other trackers.
It might surprise to know:
SCT brings in > E3,500 per month in "donations" invites, topsite axx etc.
SCC brings in > E3,000 per month
GFT brings in > E800 per month
And those figures are just what "I" personally know about.

I'm on over 1,200 trackers as of friday. From GREEK and RUSSIAN p2l that are clearly profit driven, to small niche trackers that don't take donations, run as a hobby, user provided content. No 1 tracker can please everyone, no 1 tracker can be the best. After all it is an opinion. FWIW my favorite Trackers right now are, ArabicFilms, CartoonChoas, SpiritTracker, and Cat Torrent (Bitgamer, UG, RevTT, and ScienceHD are in my top 10).

[Paypal, Privacy, Micropayment Solutions]
Paypal is fairly liberal with their required documentation. They don't check CC names, or anything, just the CC # and the paypal verification code to activate the account.
All other micropayment forms, require a lot of paperwork from the site owner.
While my country and the countries I travel too are exempt from IP laws. I have an asston of personal assets to protect. I'm not about to fax my passport, cedula, etc to 3rd parties to accept payment. It is an additional risk. One in which the risk to accept maybe 4-5 E3.00 payments is way greater than the reward. Not to mention the risk it puts ALL users at.
Sponsoring a site, is not an indication of guilt, having non purchased downloaded material on your computer is a crime, PERIOD. regardless if you made a sponsorship, donation etc.
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So if every member is a sponsor of the site does this not make them more legally resposible for the trcker there for part owners hence then not just considered they are getting pirated material but also part the the structure that supplies the material and therefore equally resposible for all conent avaliable?

If so then that makes the risk being a member/sponsor of the site even less appealing than being told to be there you have to sponsor.

Either way a controlled p2l where other sites mentioned are voluntry contributions.
 
Even assuming that is true, you have not established a causal connection between "people don't like p2l" and your initial point that "donations are down because of the new p2l policy". In fact, it doesn't seem that you have established that donations are down.
 
I dont know the tracker but as far as appearance, it pretty much looks like their goal is to make money. Everything I have heard about the site involved donations. Maybe I am wrong, but I wont be searching for an invite to see :P.
 
lol! a little test for you which of the following sentences are correct!
1. People who don't like P2L donate for P2L sites.
2. People who don't like P2L don't donate for P2L sites.
 
sites that are ratio based are p2l (as you pay with your bw that costs you something).
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This one is a non sense. Everyone out there pays for their internet (or their parents), and this is just an added cost.
The only part i agree with is when he says: Sponsor it, if you don't, then move along.
 
3. Most people deriding the system in this thread have not already donated to the site and would not have donated to the site even if they had not implemented a subscription requirement.
 
1700x3 = 5100Euros.

I wouldn't be surprised if they shut down the site after getting a bunch of donations.
Not bad as pocket money if you're a cunt.
 
pro267 said:
1700x3 = 5100Euros.

I wouldn't be surprised if they shut down the site after getting a bunch of donations.
Not bad as pocket money if you're a cunt.
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I suspect they'll keep it up until it's no longer profitable, possibly pop up under a new name a few months later and start over again.
 
Cabalo said:
This one is a non sense. Everyone out there pays for their internet (or their parents), and this is just an added cost.
The only part i agree with is when he says: Sponsor it, if you don't, then move along.
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Even if we agree to that, we ain't gonna get rid of that by becoming their sponsor:dabs:
 
Rart said:
I don't even understand how anyone could possibly just be ok with "move along". Not only are they forcing you to donate or get banned, the entire site is turning into a freaking business. I browsed there site for 3 more minutes and already found 2 more personal ads:



And (In his signature)

Visit: www.yoctogon.com for all your usernet, vps, and server needs.
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The site is turning into a blatant front for advertising. How could you simply accept this and "move along"? :dabs:
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He's old, has seen lots of stuff and is bitter. I can't really blame him, tbh. But I'm young(er) so I'm positive. Not about this site, but about p2p in general.

As for why this is happening, capitalism.
 
This message is for people that have not read the forums.

A few weeks ago STN went to a sponsorship only model, and unfortunately due to a few bad users, I’ve had to change plans and restrict everyones access to the system. This includes downloading, posting, and reading all the forums except for one.

This means in order to stay here at STN past DEC 1st and to use the site, you need to be a sponsor. We accept Paypal, and Moneybookers.
The sponsorship cost is E3.00 and is valid for six months.
You get access to everything on the site.
Additionally you do no need to seed. More information is available in the forums.

This was done for 2 primary reasons among many.
1st, to make all the users equal on the site and do away with donors, and different user classes.
2nd, to protect the users, the tracker, and myself (my personal assets).

I realize this may not be popular. However it is the direction of _this_ tracker and will be the way most trackers have to conduct themselves in the future to protect their users, and the owners.
You may not agree with this, and that is fine. It may go against your principles and that is fine as well.

You may think it is an attempt to profit from you, however I can never re-coup the costs involved in STN.
I would charge less then E3.00 but accepting smaller payments isn’t practical.

This topic is not open for discussion.

If you which to have a sponsorship spot at STN, but are unable to pay at this time, or have some other financial burden.
Please let me know, and I will park your account for 60 days. That will give you 60 days to find a way to sponsor STN. You will be unable to use your account during this period, and only be able to click on Become a Sponsor.

If you choose not to be a sponsor of STN, once your account is deleted, the only way to get back into STN in the future is to find someone with an Invite.
The site will not be open for public signups, nor will there be an INVITE channel.

Thank you
Yocto
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So much for freedom of expression.
 
i think they should change the slogan of the tracker to (help me to be a millionaire)or something ,the site staff have played it smart honestly ,they invested alot of money to make the tracker one of the fastest and their torrent count with regard to the tracker being online was pretty impressive and now they are going to get that money back 10x and who knows what will happen after or if they will disappear

for now it's still 100 members of 6500 members who have paid their 3 Euros ,i don't really support any tracker who forces their members to pay money and i hope it doesn't become a trend .also there are hundreds of great trackers around so whose gonna care about one going P2L
 
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