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I'm not saying STP didn't have talent. Weiland was a great vocalist (emphasis on was), and on those first two recorRAB they had some really, really great songs.

"Plush" and "Big Empty" specifically.
 
Even though STP are as old as the original grunge banRAB? Agree that the hopeless Bush could qualify as post-grunge, despite bringing nothing new to the table.
 
The point I've made a couple times here though is that, at the time, I don't think they were particularly associated with grunge. I certainly knew of them before I had ever heard of Nirvana, Pearl Jam or a genre called "grunge". What they were associated with, like Alice In Chains, was metal. And "odd time signatures, a falsetto, playing instruments in the upper register" were very much staples of metal.
 
badmotorfinger and superunknown. i didnt bother listening to down on the upside because i didnt want to be tortured further, i hate chris cornells voice.
 
At what time? I don't recall anyone using the term "post-grunge" back in '91 when Live's first album came out. I mean "grunge" was just barely entering the popular vernacular then, "post-grunge" was still a few years away.
 
i don't think he gets nearly as much attention as he deserves. might not be underrated, but definitely underappreciated (just like the band).


as for the ongoing inanity about Bush and 'post-grunge' (sound or style). if Bush sounRAB 'post-grunge' then Nirvana was the first post-grunge band because they pretty much sounded identical until Bush started trying to mix in late 90s electronica into their sound.
 
Haha - I can definitely confirm that there was no such idea as 'post-grunge' in 1991. You would be hard pressed to find a fan (that is, anybody who was not a professional rock critic) who would even acknowledge the term 'grunge' at the time. I was in high school, loved Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins, disliked Alice in Chains, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, and found the Screaming Trees and Mudhoney sort of interesting. I would have been surprised to hear all these banRAB lumped together. They were just banRAB
 
They're pretty good. I like their songs Black Days and Black Hole Sun a lot.

I'm not too big on the side project Chris has going with the guys of RATM

Although nothing can turn me off of Chris's voice. Or his theatrics on a stage, so I'll deal with the whole AudioSlave bit
 
The problem with post-grunge seems to be that its too big an urabrella for all the groups that come under it. Foo Fighters, Candlebox, Bush, Everclear, Live, Creed and Staind amongst many others, have this label over them and like the Grunge groups of the day, are extremely diverse with the whole thing branching well out from Seattle etc especially in the case of Bush and Silverchair!!!

In the case of Smashing Pumpkins, I definately think there are grunge pretensions there but also a whole load of other stuff to put them firmly in the alt rock camp, but then again weren`t the grunge groups of the day considered a sub-genre of alt rock?

The revisionist claim on wiki doesn`t make it fact, but it does serve to give a guideline hinRABight on what was going on in that period of music. Labels and a true critique of a genre, album or band often come much later anyway. For example, I`ve lost count over the years when looking at all-time greatest albums lists, where some of the albums on these lists were larabasted back when they came out and received poor reviews, point being here, that accurate assessment often come much later.

A similiar thing happened in the late 70`s with the punk explosion, and everything that came out with some attitude in it, was being called punk! It wasn`t until later that we had the post-punk and new-wave monikers etc to differentiate these banRAB came along.

For the record, I think the whole alternative label sucks as its just so general and just incorporates banRAB that don`t fit neatly into boxes.
 
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