Thats pretty much what I was trying to say. There is a dealer here who hosts a Monday night sportbike ride for "people of all riding abilities". Well, I have gone on a few, and they are NOT for ppl of all riding abilities. 95% of the people on the ride are Icon-wearing stunter types (or punk kids who think they know how to race and have never been to a track) who just mess around, not considering the safety of others. I won;t go on any more of their rides because I really don't want to ride alongside or behind people who are more concerned with how high their wheelie is than their safety or the safetly of the people around them. Those are the people I avoid. I would much rather ride with a few friends who I KNOW are safe riders, who all look out for each other, and don