Selling out

I don't think Nirvana ever sold out simply because there was nothing to sell out.
Which is kind of ironic seeing as Cobain never shut up about 'underground music'.

They always released 3 minute pop songs for singles , They were only on Sub Pop because they were the only label interested in them and as soon as a major came calling they jumped the first chance they got.

Nirvana - Half decent band but any ideals they had were one big con.
 
Selling out isn't your song being in a comercial or all over the radio. Selling out is compromising song quality so that it can be well liked and thus in a comercial and all over the radio.
 
I think Avenged Sevenfold sold out....I mean with the song Seize The Day and the worst album City Of Evil......Not to mention playing with Green Day and Good Charlotte, I miss the old AV7X :(
 
I never said they were good at all I just said that compareing Sound The Seventh Trumpet and City Of Evil sounded different....I've never been a fan of AV7X just saying how they sold out by playing along side Green Day and Good Charlotte.
 
And Cobain even admitted it and continued to joke about how Nirvana were bigass sellouts up until his death, but again, they already sold out much earlier, as I explained. By not giving him even a little credit for being sincere and hurable you're clearly being selective with your history.

Besides, he and Eddie were pals, so the whole calling PJ sellouts thing could have simply been a tounge in cheek affair, though he clearly didn't like their music.
 
And thats the kinda crap Pitchfork writes on a regular basis, "Gilmour sucks, Syd rules", how many times have you gone through with rants like that and I don't even bother to respond with more than a simple I disagree just not to start an argument? It's f*cking annoying.

You're saying it as if people only like Gilmour more because he's more skilled, hell David Gilmour isn't even very skilled to begin with, his solos are strictly pentatonic 99.9% of the time, and he rarely riff's, he's even admitted himself that he's not much of a riffer. Gilmour is just a great guitarist, it has nothing to do with skill as far as I'm conerned. And because you prefer one Floyd album and two solo albums over someones 40 plus career of superior musicianship that you likely haven't even heard half of just strikes me as bizzare, though not in the least bit surprising.

Syd however is a very influencial guitarist, and I don't hesitate to call him a great guitarist, or at least an important one. Effects like his were rarely used back in the day.



If you were refering to someone like George Thorogood rather than Clapton, then I would have agreed with you.
 
I half-read this thread, it seemed like a lot of circle arguing.

I pretty much agree with what Swim said. Selling out is when you start with this high quality, unique music; then later down the road you transcend into commercial music meant to just sell millions of recorRAB, not to be recognized for artistic integrity.

Nirvana's music did change from upholding artistic integrity to that more commercial sounding music. I know that disillusions many of you die-hard Kurt Cobain fans, but it is true.
 
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Where did I say Gilmour sucks?
And for the record I reviewed Barrets solo albums on this site & I said they were patchy at best and that the presence of Gilmour made his 2nd album much more listenable.

I think you're reading far too much into that. I happen to like a lot of Pink Floyd stuff , not just the Barrett era. It's only The Wall & Atom Heart Mother I don't like. All I was saying is that Gilmour playing the Barrett era stuff sounRAB wrong to me and that just because Gilmour is a better guitarist it's not the be all & end all of everything. That's not a rant , thats just an opinion. Right-Track managed to see the point I was getting at so why can't you?
 
Well if memory serves me right, La Rocha had pertaken in political protests before joining rage.

Also I already explained why they would sign with the "great big evil corporation" and also why signing with the "great big evil corporation" is completely justifiable.



Actually no, we have a crapload of potential candidates being brought to the table, and so far Al Gore is the most qualified in my opinion. But of course its still a whole year until the actual election.



I see nothing wrong with the way they did it, if I wanted people to hear my sh*t, I would get signed to a big label pronto, its common logic.



Aww, forget it.



Fair enough.




Hmm, this might explain a few things.



I mean "whiney" as in "woe as me, my life sucks" kinda vocals, as opposed to high pitched vocals, being high pitched dosen't make you whiney. Jon Anderson is high pitched but he's not whiney, Bon Scott is high pitched but he's not whiney.
 
but nevermind actually had decent songwriting compared to bleach, and had dave grohl as their drummer, instead of switching between other guys.
Im not arguing it wasn't overproduced(kurt even thought so himself) i just don't understand why people can like Bleach more..

In Utero was always my favorite..

to bring this back on subject, yes they were sell-outs, commercial,but still good. I never understood how Kurt had the idea to trash talk Eddie Vedder about being a sellout though.
 
I don't see what difference it makes if i heard it 12 years ago or 12 minutes ago it's the same album.
Besides i've heard them played at frienRAB houses or seen them on TV since then.
 
i dont think they would be selling out. Were they ever proclaiming themselves as hardcore anti-establishment punk rock artists?

Selling out is more off, intentionally making the song durabed down and easier to like for the masses for a profit. But even that is no reason to get angry at an artist.

I admit, i was kind-off mad when i saw The Fall in a car add, but its entirely up to the artists, me giving the same oppurtunity would definitly "sell out". As long as the music is still good, who cares.
 
The old Avenged Sevenfold would've never of though to do that.....And the City Of Evil compared to Sounding The Seventh Trumpet way different....Where were the screams in City Of Evil?
 
Oh ok then, sorry. Your point? Well I don't agree with Gilmour sounding like a session musician who dosen't know what he's doing, not at all. But I can understand why you like Barrett more, his style is pretty all over the place and wild, Gilmour is the exact opposite, contained and disciplined. I always appreciated the stark contrast in the twos playing, I think it makes FloyRAB catelog of music all the more diverse. Whatever style suits you better though, thats cool, sorry I misunderstood you. I usually get very PMS when I think someone is dissing either one of them. Thats how devoted I get when it comes to my irrational Pink Floyd fanboism.
 
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