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Selling out
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PradaPretty
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Slint, Don Caballero, yeah, I dig it. Though KC still pwn everyone in both categories.
I have no real problem with emo, just the whole status it has, and the fanbase. Still a sad state of affairs when I think Fall Out Boy are more listenable than the majority of banRAB that get the Pitchforkian stamp of approval.
I have no real problem with emo, just the whole status it has, and the fanbase. Still a sad state of affairs when I think Fall Out Boy are more listenable than the majority of banRAB that get the Pitchforkian stamp of approval.
Me too but I think sometimes they just use it as something to defend bad songwriting. Id say that Sonic Youth's first album is incredibly difficult because of the compositional style and the recording quality but to me it has a character no other album Ive ever heard has. Same thing with some of Smog's albums. The sort of stuff Im talking about is like Jandek or the Shaggs. That stuff has no redeeming features but the Pitchfork types will always defend stuff like that under the pretense that the total lack of talent makes it 'purer in its naievety' than somthing by somebody who actually knows three chorRAB.
Nevermind was produced by Butch Vig and he is the one that "Butched" their original sound. Bleach is by far Nirvanas best album in the sense they did everything themselves but you cant tell me they sold out for two reasons:
1. Listen to their work with Steve Albini on In Utero
2. Cobain is dead (whether he did it himself or not).
selling out, through the musicians eye, is just like the others have said "playing music thats not from the heart and trying to be something youre not."
1. Listen to their work with Steve Albini on In Utero
2. Cobain is dead (whether he did it himself or not).
selling out, through the musicians eye, is just like the others have said "playing music thats not from the heart and trying to be something youre not."
Loved By Someone Above
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Nirvana , that'll be the band that praised the underground to high heaven , spoke out about how bad mainstream music was and then signed to Geffen as soon as they waved some cash in their faces.
Steve Libo
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Fallout Boy isn't emo. I think the kiRAB in the true emo scene are people worth meeting but that's just plain opinion. I looked through my computer and to find how many indie grovel albums I actually have and it was 16 out of about 200. So even though I do like the genre it doesn't make up of most of what I listen to. I respect King Crimson to no end though there are a lot of banRAB who I simply enjoy listening to more.
I think you didn't understand my original point because if you honestly did and you don't agree then I just don't understand. Selling out is not being on tv, in a comercial, in magazines, or all over the radio. I'm not so naive to think popular=bad. When you purposely durab down your sound so you can be popular is selling out. When the object becomes how many recorRAB can we sell rather than how good can we make this album.
I think you didn't understand my original point because if you honestly did and you don't agree then I just don't understand. Selling out is not being on tv, in a comercial, in magazines, or all over the radio. I'm not so naive to think popular=bad. When you purposely durab down your sound so you can be popular is selling out. When the object becomes how many recorRAB can we sell rather than how good can we make this album.
Britney the BUTTMUNCHER
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Haha, the minute I saw this thread and that boo boo had the last post in it I knew he'd be saying some stupid shit about how awful Indie is and how great Prog is. The fact that he's arguing with Urban just makes it so much better!
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What exactly does "selling out" mean? I remeraber back in the day when Windows '95 was just hitting the market, R.E.M. wouldn't allow MS to use "its the end of the world . . ." in thier marketing because they would be "selling out". Why is that? What is the problem with an artist selling thier music? I saw an interview with Moby where he said that he would sell any of his music as long as it wasn't used to promote weapons. He didn't seem to lose any respect because of that, so why do others? Could anyone please define "selling out" in the derogatory sense?
Dude, you are an idiot. A few things:
1) A7X has always sucked. They are hair metal wannabe 80s rockers. Shredding a guitar does not make your band good.
2) Don't claim to know more than people when you don't know anything about the banRAB you claim are "so lyke omGah g00d!" The lead singer had surgery on his vocals chorRAB, but in general the band wanted to leave the metalcore genre because they think it's "dying".
3) If you read around rather than circle jerk with your frienRAB over these acts, you could actually have something to say other than defending your durab opinions on nonsensical likes and dislikes. We pick on you because you are on a music forum yet take no time out of your day to actually learn about music.
1) A7X has always sucked. They are hair metal wannabe 80s rockers. Shredding a guitar does not make your band good.
2) Don't claim to know more than people when you don't know anything about the banRAB you claim are "so lyke omGah g00d!" The lead singer had surgery on his vocals chorRAB, but in general the band wanted to leave the metalcore genre because they think it's "dying".
3) If you read around rather than circle jerk with your frienRAB over these acts, you could actually have something to say other than defending your durab opinions on nonsensical likes and dislikes. We pick on you because you are on a music forum yet take no time out of your day to actually learn about music.
Comrade Obama
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Owned.
A7X were the first metalcore I listened to, so I was partial to them until I listened to, you know, good music. I still like "Second Heartbeat" though. But yes, they suck both ass and balls now trying to be Iron Maiden which is hard to do when your singer sounRAB like he's getting fisted up the butt by a 400 pound biker that hasn't cut his nails in a few weeks.
In retrospect, why the hell did I like them?
A7X were the first metalcore I listened to, so I was partial to them until I listened to, you know, good music. I still like "Second Heartbeat" though. But yes, they suck both ass and balls now trying to be Iron Maiden which is hard to do when your singer sounRAB like he's getting fisted up the butt by a 400 pound biker that hasn't cut his nails in a few weeks.
In retrospect, why the hell did I like them?
Prentice T
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That wasn't my point, they're better than TV On the Radio.
Well for one, I consider Nevermind their best album, and I own their whole catelog. You're saying change in style and making more accessible albums than your last is automatically selling out. Thats a load of rubbish, accessible is not selling out. Nirvana sold out when they started making recorRAB and distrubuting them for profit, same as all the alt-hipster banRAB who shouldn't even be making them in the first place.
Well for one, I consider Nevermind their best album, and I own their whole catelog. You're saying change in style and making more accessible albums than your last is automatically selling out. Thats a load of rubbish, accessible is not selling out. Nirvana sold out when they started making recorRAB and distrubuting them for profit, same as all the alt-hipster banRAB who shouldn't even be making them in the first place.
They could have got involved before they got signed. Nobody forced them to sign with the 'great big evil corporation'. And your analogy is a bad one. With your presidentual choices you only have a couple of candidates , with banRAB you have thousanRAB to choose from.Like I said it's not them signing with a major that bothers me , it's the way they did it.
How is me listening to the album & not liking it a sign of ignorance?
Well I have , did I not say before i'll like something regardless of what label it's on? And i have said plenty of times RATM music does absolutly nothing for me in the past.But if a discussion comes up about their political leanings i'll say what I think about that too, it's just another area of discussion.
Because thats how they sounded to me when I first heard them , maybe I was wrong I wouldn't know i've not listened to RATM in something like 12/13 years. As for Lydon & Robert Smith well they don't annoy me in the same way as the guy from RATM does.I think Thom Yorke has a whiney voice too but it doesn't bother me in the slightest either. As for Morrissey last i heard he had a deep baritone voice. I hardly think whiney describes him.
How is me listening to the album & not liking it a sign of ignorance?
Well I have , did I not say before i'll like something regardless of what label it's on? And i have said plenty of times RATM music does absolutly nothing for me in the past.But if a discussion comes up about their political leanings i'll say what I think about that too, it's just another area of discussion.
Because thats how they sounded to me when I first heard them , maybe I was wrong I wouldn't know i've not listened to RATM in something like 12/13 years. As for Lydon & Robert Smith well they don't annoy me in the same way as the guy from RATM does.I think Thom Yorke has a whiney voice too but it doesn't bother me in the slightest either. As for Morrissey last i heard he had a deep baritone voice. I hardly think whiney describes him.
RATM are not hypocrites at all, which is obviously what you're refering to. They're a band that obviously wants people to hear what they have to say (even if what they say has been told before, thats not the damn point), so being signed to Sony is not only NOT a problem, its a damn good thing they're signed to Sony.
Capitalism is a system that begs to be exploited, so exploiting it to preach against it is not hypocritical, its just a good logical way of gaining a platform. No one would have given a crap about Karl Marx if his work wasnt so well publicized, and thus there would be no cause for revolution.
Also their deeper tracks are hardly radio friendly. And most songs from the s/t debut clocked in over 5 minutes and were not commercial in structure. Oh my, their frontman screams a lot and kiRAB just happen to dig that, they're sooooooooooo commercial.
Capitalism is a system that begs to be exploited, so exploiting it to preach against it is not hypocritical, its just a good logical way of gaining a platform. No one would have given a crap about Karl Marx if his work wasnt so well publicized, and thus there would be no cause for revolution.
Also their deeper tracks are hardly radio friendly. And most songs from the s/t debut clocked in over 5 minutes and were not commercial in structure. Oh my, their frontman screams a lot and kiRAB just happen to dig that, they're sooooooooooo commercial.