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shilo h

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one of the bad things about this was the ending. They introduced all these characters who we didn't really know much about within the last 5 minutes and...

there was absolutely no character development on the new apprentice. Remind us, who is he? What do we know about him? Then it might have been a good shock.
 
Exactly. Who's the next victim going to be? Superman?

I assume that Hoffmans backstory will be the focus of Saw V, thus allowing for Tobin Bell to get another pay check as we see him "training" Hoffman in the art of Jigsaw via flashbacks.

I really hated the way that they just killed Jeff, after the cliffhanger of Saw III i think everyone was expecting the story to be about him attempting to find out where his daughter is being held, but instead it seemed like the writers wrote Saw IV and than suddenly remembered that they had an entire unresolved plot from the previous film and threw him in as an afterthought in the last five minutes. A very unsatisfying end to what could have been a decent follow on story, and effectively making the events of Saw III pointless. Although, Redundant makes a good point about the brief reference about a young girl. Well spotted.
 
He was holding a doll at the time. According to Wikipedia, the same doll was seem with the daughter in Saw III. "Looking after" would presumably mean kidnapping and installing in an air-tight room, since this is happening just before Jeff's game. It does seem likely Hoffman knew where she was and could have recovered her at the end of Saw IV, before the autopsy.
 
Hoffman has a minor part in Saw III; he was first to find Troy's body. In Saw IV he is seen working with Rigg. Hoffman is present when they find Kerry's body, and is the one who tells Rigg never to go through an unsecured door - which turns out to be a rule of Rigg's game. He has other dialogue with Rigg which is similarly loaded.

He "disappears" early in the evening, which is part of what leaRAB Staham and Perez to think that Rigg may be Jigsaw's accomplice. There is quite a lot of dialogue about him. You are supposed to understand that it is Hoffman, Mathews and Art Blanc in the trap.

There isn't much room for character development. There wasn't much for Amanda, either, in the first two films.
 
Personally i thought it was very average, the storyline was weak (although i thought the premise was quite good, the film just never capitalised on the potential), the tension was non existent, the characters weren't particularly interesting, the acting poor, the traps weren't anywhere near as imaginative as before, and the ending and twist was extremely poor in my opinion.

It also neeRAB a lot of suspension of belief from the viewer, i mean, how many tapes can Jigsaw have possibly made before his death, and they all give precise details on the trap and person in question. Then there is also the way that Jigsaw now seems to have a cult of followers. And the needless flashbacks to Jigsaws past are REALLY pointless, they are just giving more back story which really isn't needed. What're the flashbacks going to be in Saw V? Someone ran over his dog and didn't stop?. It's also very repetitive, by the time you've heard him say "make your choice" for the tenth time you'll be wishing death upon him. And as a final point the gore didn't even seem very good either, it's so obviously fake and thanks to the stupid jump cut style of editing you can barely see what is happening anyway.

Before i would have rushed out to see the new Saw film, but "not me, not anymore" (see what i did there :p), Saw V can wait until a Wednesday so i can get in for half price...if i bother with it at all. It seems that this franchise and the genre of "Gorno" has run its course and no longer has any fresh ideas. As a fan of the previous 3 films, i was highly underwhelmed by this film.

Oh, and i don't get why Jigsaw would choose this supposedly honest and dedicated cop whose wife loves him to be part of his "game". Jigsaw always used to choose bad people, but there just seemed to be no reasoning behind this at all.
 
I've a feeling that this will all be explained in Saw V. I don't think they'll go any further than a pentology, to be honest. Lions Gate only have domains up to saw5.com, whether that's any indication at all.

KG
 
Hey, I saw it last night. I liked it but I found It didn't answer half my questions I had. Unless I just wasn't paying close enough attention. Maybe somebody who's seen can answer a few.

1. How did jigsaws body transport back to the room where he died in the 3rd film?

he had, had an autopsy. They found the tape, then the game began. But then it ended back in the setting for saw 3 and his body was on the bed?!

2. Why exactly was that guy an accomplice? what made him change?

3. What was the point of the mini-trap for agent perez? it had no relevance to the story.

4. What did Rigg gain from killing the fat rapist guy? he didnt gain anything I noticed about where to go. He just needed to work out the clues written on the wall and listen to yet another tape..
 
You had the same questions I did when I left the cinema

My question is - So what happened in saw 3 and saw 4 happen at the same time because they both meet at the end
 
I think that everything that happens between the opening autopsy and the closing scene is all told in flashback. But this is never made clear. And according to Wikipedia, the events of Saw 3 and 4 ARE parallel, despite Detective Matthews miraculous beard growth between films...
 
It's not clear that Rigg was being punished in the way of a normal victim. At some points he seems to be trying to convert Rigg, or to be seeking understanding and approval from him. And at some points he seems to be getting it.

And we should probably be comparing it with Kerry's treatment. Kerry was another detective, and I don't recall a good reason for Jigsawing her.
And indeed, her trap was set up by Hoffman and Amanda together, and Jigsaw repudiates it in Saw III because it was not designed to teach at all, but to kill. As a result we see Jigsaw testing Amanda, and he is going to test Hoffman next.

Jigsaw himself is a serial killer, not a role model, and Amanda and Hoffman are worse - they may well be picking on police just because they don't like them.
 
No they are not according to this article on Dark Horizons:

"Sick of "Saw" sequels? Get used to it as more of them are coming.

Out doing promotions for the fourth film, "Saw 5" director David Hackl confirmed to Shock Til You Drop that they are outlining the story for the fifth installment this week with writers Marcus Dunstan and Patrick Melton who plan to have the script ready "by the end of the month". Shooting begins at the start of 2008.

Meanwhile series producer Mark Burg confirmed that his company Twisted Pictures has another horror film planned. "Kept" he describes as a Saw-esque take on "Fatal Attraction" about a woman who picks up adulterous men in bars and tortures them to death."
 
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