Saw 4

Was the one who listened to the tape not the one who locked them in the room? ie, the bloke who was on the 'electric chair' trap?
They should make them wear name badges, trying to remember who did what is too hard!!
I thought the one that got locked in was the FBI bloke whose partner had the doll explode in her face.
I wonder when his body gets found, do you think it will be straight away or will there be another gap?
 
Agreed. Saw 2 just wasn't clever and had no real twists or anything to really tie it to the first whereas the 3rd tied in nicely with both the 2 previous and seemed to fit in perfectly.
 
i heard saw 5&6 are going ahead aswell.

personaly the story was told they ended with 3
the original writer is gone his story is over what were getting now is the even more so shameless cash in
will it be good hopfully and most likely yea.

but will there be the passion behind the story that was in 2&3.

i just cant help get the feeling that the SAW bubble will burst on the 26th 3 great storys/movies all done a year apart since 2004 cmon there gona snap sometime
 
Saw it tonight Loved it.

One thing I didn't understand, wasn't Kerry part of JeRAB Game? A Game in which every trap was within the same building. Why wasn't the entire building searched and The victims from The other Saws would be found.

It seems Rigg is dead, I doubt he had survived the way he fell at the end, especially since I doubt Hoffman would have left him if there was a chance he would live.

Having Just see the door shut I think it would be plausible for the fifth to have Strahm alive and actually working alongside Hoffman to find the accomplice which could work nicely. I would have thought Homicide would already be around had an FBI been found dead, or FBi would have been called rather than Homicide when the tape was found at the autopsy. Perhaps even Strahm used his radio to save himself.

The next film should have the proper aftermath and actually have all the previous bodies/survivors if any found since didn't it all take place in the one warehouse? If so it would be a good way of properly ending it.

Almost straightforward cop case trying to find accomplice (who we obviously know is Hoffman) whilst more traps are set and the fates of the past victims found out by Police.

Just to add, I like how the accomplice was in the room where the main action was taking place. just like the first when Jigsaw was in the room. Seemed similar to me and a nod to the first.
Would rank this second after the original then the 3rd then the 2nd.
 
I'm relieved other people found it hard to follow and it wasn't just me being stupid. I've since spent a few hours reading it up on Wikipedia and have a better grasp now. katherinei has it right, as I understand it. Here's a brief who's who:
Rigg - the main protagonist. SWAT. He's eventually shot by Art Blanc. He first appears in Saw II, working with Mathews and Kerry.
Mathews - the chap on the ice block. He was the main protagonist in Saw II and has been missing since then. Another SWAT.
Hoffman - the chap in the electrocution chair, who survives, locks in Strahm, and listens to the tape at the end. He's another SWAT and was involved in finding Kerry's body (in the Angel trap at the start).
Art Blanc - lawyer. His mouth is sewn shut in the first game. He survives it and is the 3rd guy in the final game - the one free to move about, albeit with a contraption strapped to his back. Rigg shoots him.
Perez - female FBI agent. Hospitalised when the doll explodes in her face. Presumably she survives.
Strahm - male FBI agent. He and Perez try to track down Rigg. He turns up at the end but is distracted by Jeff and follows him into the room in which Jigsaw dies. He shoots Jeff and is locked in by Hoffman. Final fate unknown - presumably he wasn't still in the room when Jigsaw's body was recovered for autopsy.
Jeff - protagonist of Saw III. Rigg's final test takes place in the same building as Jeff's tests, concurrently. Saw III ended with Jeff killing Jigsaw, losing his wife, and getting told he needed to play a game to recover his daughter. He is still screaming about his daughter when Strahm enters and shoots him. (The fate of the daughter is unknown.)
Kerry - female detective in Saw I and II, killed in Amanda's Angel trap in Saw III.
John Kramer - Jigsaw's real name.
Jill - Jigsaw's ex-wife. She first appears in Jigsaw's daydream in Saw III.
Tracy - Rigg's wife.
Brenda - female pimp, caught in the winding hair trap during Rigg's first test.
Ivan - rapist, ran a hotel, killed during Rigg's second test.
Morgan - child molester, killed by spears during Rigg's third test. His wife is presumed to survive.
Cecil - drug user; causes Jill's abortion. He is Jigsaw's first test subject. He survives the chair of knives, then attacks Jigsaw and is killed.

The tape tells Hoffman that his is about to be tested, so presumably (a) he wasn't a Jigsaw victim in Saw IV, and (b) Saw V will comprise his test and will follow on directly.

There is a lot to be explored here. It may be him who picked Rigg rather than Jigsaw. He worked with Amanda on the Angel trap, and surely knew it was inescapable and contrary to Jigsaw's philosophy. I wonder if there was rivalry between Jigaw's two disciples.

I also wonder whether Tracy, Rigg's wife, was involved. It's certainly fortuitous that she absented herself during Rigg's first test, which was in their home. Rigg didn't know she was going, so presumably it wasn't common knowledge. She gives him some pretty loaded dialogue before she goes; it's almost like she and Hoffman are both trying to give him the game rules. ("Don't go through an unsecured door." "You can't save everyone." etc)
 
...no but the cumulative effect of watching the Saw sequels (I liked the first one actually which, yes, was more of a thriller) is like being trapped in a lift with a Marilyn Manson fan constantly telling you that people are bad and life sucks, man and we all deserve to die for our sins. It's just depressing.
Hostel 2 had humour and characters who's badness was not immediately apparent. Light and shade if you will whereas Saw is relentlessly and repetitively dark and pessimistic.

A horror film is not defined just by being scary - some of the best such as Texas Chainsaw Massacre are gruelling rather than scary. Ditto Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer. Saw is not a patch on either on those.
The line between horror and thriller is a thin one. Think of the countless slasher movies where a gruesome killer neeRAB to be captured (the basis of all Saw flicks). Thriller or horror?
 
The first two traps in Saw III, Troy and Kerry, were not part of Jeff's game.

Agreed. Also like Amanda in the second film - she was present in the house of nerve gas, and at one point was thrown into a pit full of infected needles. (I think the second film is underrated.)
 
Im assuming theres going to have to be a big enough gap in time before Jigsaw and Strahm are found otherwise Rigg will still be alive. He saw Hoffman, so either Hoffman will have to take him away to be the new captive like Matthews or he dies.
The bit that confused me though was the end of Saw 3, we saw the door getting shut didnt we? You would think we should have seen Strahm getting locked in. Or did we just see it getting swung shut from the outside? Or did the shot just cut from the man who killed Jigsaw to the shut door?
Questions, questions!! How long do we need to wait for the next one??:D
 
I agree. Now, i might not be the most intelligent woman in the world .... but i didn't 'get' all of Saw 2. I felt very confused at the end of it.

Saw 3 was brilliant. A gruesome movie. It really was a 'hiding behind the cushion' jobbie.

I cant wait for Saw 4 to come out. Myself and a friend always watch them together (the men are wusses) with a very large bottle of plonk and some chocolate :D
 
So is Saw going to be an annual Halloween thing then?

I wonder how far they push it before the BBFC gives it the dreaded "R" for refused cert?

They didn't like Manhunt 2 and that was just a game.
 
I think it's the other way round. The torture scenes are the MacGuffins to support the psychological themes that the film makers want to explore.
 
Really looking forward to this. Movie event of the year for me..in a year which hasnt been the best for movies.

I just love the films. The tension, the music, the sound effects. I thought the first two were on par with each other. The third wasnt quite as good but I enjoy them all so I have high hopes for Saw 4.
 
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