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Restaurant reviewer busted
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txnhsehntr
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On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 13:16:36 -0500, Boron Elgar wrote:
somehow i don't think that 'controversial' food reviews are gonna sell a
lot of papers.
your pal,
blake
somehow i don't think that 'controversial' food reviews are gonna sell a
lot of papers.
your pal,
blake
thunderandlightning_ky
New member
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 14:58:40 -0500, blake murphy
wrote:
There a difference between a column title with byline and a wanted
poster type snapshot with her name under it (I haven't seen the
picture, so I made the wanted poster part up).
--
Never trust a dog to watch your food.
wrote:
There a difference between a column title with byline and a wanted
poster type snapshot with her name under it (I haven't seen the
picture, so I made the wanted poster part up).
--
Never trust a dog to watch your food.
lilmissdisorganised
New member
"Boron Elgar" wrote
To me, that would absolutely make me want to go and patronize the place.
The restaurateur is saying, "Forget about the critics say. You come and be
the judge." I'll bet there was a spike in business after this, and perhaps
a continuing upswing. I would definitely tell the manager of chef that the
reason I came in the first place was because of the incident, and then give
an objective review of my own, even if it is just an "average person", and
not a "experienced reviewer."
Stupid like a fox.
Steve
To me, that would absolutely make me want to go and patronize the place.
The restaurateur is saying, "Forget about the critics say. You come and be
the judge." I'll bet there was a spike in business after this, and perhaps
a continuing upswing. I would definitely tell the manager of chef that the
reason I came in the first place was because of the incident, and then give
an objective review of my own, even if it is just an "average person", and
not a "experienced reviewer."
Stupid like a fox.
Steve
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 12:46:22 -0500, Dave Smith
wrote:
One of my dogs had lymph cancer. A vet wanted to give her the full
cancer treatment to the tune of thousands of dollars, which had to be
redone every few months... same charge, buying less and less time.
Gave us the hard sell, played on our emotions. We finally said no and
asked if there was an alternative. Yes, there was - prednisone ($8 a
month). 24 hours later she was bouncing around like a puppy. She
only lived a year longer, but it was a very good year - not feeling
sick from chemo all the time and having her life dragged by people who
couldn't let her go for their own personal reasons.
--
Never trust a dog to watch your food.
wrote:
One of my dogs had lymph cancer. A vet wanted to give her the full
cancer treatment to the tune of thousands of dollars, which had to be
redone every few months... same charge, buying less and less time.
Gave us the hard sell, played on our emotions. We finally said no and
asked if there was an alternative. Yes, there was - prednisone ($8 a
month). 24 hours later she was bouncing around like a puppy. She
only lived a year longer, but it was a very good year - not feeling
sick from chemo all the time and having her life dragged by people who
couldn't let her go for their own personal reasons.
--
Never trust a dog to watch your food.
bi-polar-itical
New member
In article
,
Lyndon Watson wrote:
I consider myself to be an honest person, but it depends on the
situation. I would not give a random stranger my credit card numbers or
government id number. I would be careful about giving out my driver
license number, because once someone has that, I believe that they can
get my address.
I certainly don't consider you stupid. The original article clearly
stated that life is different in England and France, that restaurant
reviewers are celebrities, and that in England their pictures are
published in the newspaper next to their reviews, and that in France,
the date of planned reviews are clearly and publicly announced. It
appears that you are in New Zealand, and I don't know how things work
there, but here in the US, readers of reviews expect that they will be
done anonymously. People don't want to find out out what kind of
service and food extremely important people will get at a particular
restaurant, but rather what *they* might expect if they dined there.
I guess the frustration with your posts in this thread from US readers,
is, given that we are looking to find out what the average person can
expect at a given restaurant, how would you propose doing that, without
some attempt at anonymity? This would apply mostly to cities such as
Los Angeles, which was the focus of this thread.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]
,
Lyndon Watson wrote:
I consider myself to be an honest person, but it depends on the
situation. I would not give a random stranger my credit card numbers or
government id number. I would be careful about giving out my driver
license number, because once someone has that, I believe that they can
get my address.
I certainly don't consider you stupid. The original article clearly
stated that life is different in England and France, that restaurant
reviewers are celebrities, and that in England their pictures are
published in the newspaper next to their reviews, and that in France,
the date of planned reviews are clearly and publicly announced. It
appears that you are in New Zealand, and I don't know how things work
there, but here in the US, readers of reviews expect that they will be
done anonymously. People don't want to find out out what kind of
service and food extremely important people will get at a particular
restaurant, but rather what *they* might expect if they dined there.
I guess the frustration with your posts in this thread from US readers,
is, given that we are looking to find out what the average person can
expect at a given restaurant, how would you propose doing that, without
some attempt at anonymity? This would apply mostly to cities such as
Los Angeles, which was the focus of this thread.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]
-TaylorSwiftObsessed-
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"Ed Pawlowski" ha scritto nel messaggio
While I have no intention of ever again defining my life through my work, I
also don't want to retire, ever. I hope I am capable of slinging food
around until the day I go.
While I have no intention of ever again defining my life through my work, I
also don't want to retire, ever. I hope I am capable of slinging food
around until the day I go.
crackfuct2001
New member
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 09:57:47 -0800, Steve B wrote:
well, aren't you precious?
blake
well, aren't you precious?
blake
On Sun 02 Jan 2011 10:31:28p, Steve Pope told us...
Many years ago I studied piano and harpsichord with a professor at
Baldwin-Wallace College.
--
~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~
**********************************************************
Wayne Boatwright
Many years ago I studied piano and harpsichord with a professor at
Baldwin-Wallace College.
--
~~ If there's a nit to pick, some nitwit will pick it. ~~
~~ A mind is a terrible thing to lose. ~~
**********************************************************
Wayne Boatwright
micheleann62
New member
wrote in message news:fc77b12c-e188-48d2-8dbe-
The special
was $89 a night (before taxes), and i was very disappointed. No
fridge. No microwave. Cheapest breakfast was $12. And wifi was $10 per
night, per computer. The second night, my sister logged in first on
her laptop, so I had to wait for her computer to check email or pay
another $10. And the show hall wasn't within the wifi zone. The next
time, I went back to the Days Inn, where the room was $50 a night, and
we had a fridge, microwave, free wifi, and free waffles for
breakfast.
********************************************************
I don't expect a fridge or microwave, but today, free wifi is a must these
days. I'm not going to spend $10 a night to check my email when I can do it
for free at either a different motel or at a coffee shop. Many business
travelers just put it on the bill and expense account so they can get away
with it.
The special
was $89 a night (before taxes), and i was very disappointed. No
fridge. No microwave. Cheapest breakfast was $12. And wifi was $10 per
night, per computer. The second night, my sister logged in first on
her laptop, so I had to wait for her computer to check email or pay
another $10. And the show hall wasn't within the wifi zone. The next
time, I went back to the Days Inn, where the room was $50 a night, and
we had a fridge, microwave, free wifi, and free waffles for
breakfast.
********************************************************
I don't expect a fridge or microwave, but today, free wifi is a must these
days. I'm not going to spend $10 a night to check my email when I can do it
for free at either a different motel or at a coffee shop. Many business
travelers just put it on the bill and expense account so they can get away
with it.
?
"Giusi" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
If I was working on an assembly line putting the knob on the toasters as
they went by, I'd be counting the days to retirement. I run a small
manufacturing company and I'm bound by almost no rules. I come and go as I
please, I have as much vacation time as I want to take.
My day starts about 7 with a cup of tea with the office manager. (we later
have lunch together) Some of the supervisors may come in with questions or
have a situation that needs attention so we discuss it. About 45 minutes
later, I walk out to the shop and greet everyone and see what is going on.
If a customer calls with a rush order, some would see that as a problem. I
see it as a fun challenge to get the product made and solve their problem.
Just as some guys spend time with Fantasy Football, I'd rather juggle a
production schedule and make it come out to everyone's advantage.
I've worked with the owner of the company before he started this business so
we go back 30 years. Most of us have worked together for at least five years
and many 10 to 20. It is somewhat a social gathering some days as much as
working. We think our part time cleaning lady has retired. Can't be sure
as this is the third time she's retired and she came back twice so far. She
did say she'd take care of the garden in the spring.
"Giusi" wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
If I was working on an assembly line putting the knob on the toasters as
they went by, I'd be counting the days to retirement. I run a small
manufacturing company and I'm bound by almost no rules. I come and go as I
please, I have as much vacation time as I want to take.
My day starts about 7 with a cup of tea with the office manager. (we later
have lunch together) Some of the supervisors may come in with questions or
have a situation that needs attention so we discuss it. About 45 minutes
later, I walk out to the shop and greet everyone and see what is going on.
If a customer calls with a rush order, some would see that as a problem. I
see it as a fun challenge to get the product made and solve their problem.
Just as some guys spend time with Fantasy Football, I'd rather juggle a
production schedule and make it come out to everyone's advantage.
I've worked with the owner of the company before he started this business so
we go back 30 years. Most of us have worked together for at least five years
and many 10 to 20. It is somewhat a social gathering some days as much as
working. We think our part time cleaning lady has retired. Can't be sure
as this is the third time she's retired and she came back twice so far. She
did say she'd take care of the garden in the spring.
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 15:33:12 -0800, Steve B wrote:
i'm not sure it's legal, though:
The lawsuit was brought under California?s Unruh Act, which provides that
?all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and
no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin,
disability, or medical condition are entitled to the full and equal
accommodations, advantages facilities, privileges, or services in all
business establishments of every kind whatsoever.?
granted, this is aimed at racial and other discrimination, but the key
phase is 'all persons'
i was shocked to see such signs as you mention in california when i was
there many years ago, because in some parts of maryland, and vast parts of
the south, this was code for 'no niggers allowed.' if she was
appropriately dressed and conducted herself in a reasonable manner, i don't
think she can be legally refused service. but then, she probably had more
class than to force the issue.
blake
i'm not sure it's legal, though:
The lawsuit was brought under California?s Unruh Act, which provides that
?all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are free and equal, and
no matter what their sex, race, color, religion, ancestry, national origin,
disability, or medical condition are entitled to the full and equal
accommodations, advantages facilities, privileges, or services in all
business establishments of every kind whatsoever.?
granted, this is aimed at racial and other discrimination, but the key
phase is 'all persons'
i was shocked to see such signs as you mention in california when i was
there many years ago, because in some parts of maryland, and vast parts of
the south, this was code for 'no niggers allowed.' if she was
appropriately dressed and conducted herself in a reasonable manner, i don't
think she can be legally refused service. but then, she probably had more
class than to force the issue.
blake
On Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:08:51 -0500, Dave Smith
wrote:
Read up on her a bit more. She isn't a flaming loon, she is a food
critic for THE paper in LA and has been there for 16 years. There are
going to be times when a restaurant really sucks and if she reports it
any less truthfully, she isn't doing her job.
These places are multi-million dollar investments and they come and go
like snowflakes. There is a reason. It isn't just one review that
makes or breaks them, either. Not these days. A lot of these places
are misbegotten money pits that charge diners huge sums for mediocre
food with a "because we can" mentality.
As I posted already, reviewers coming in without announcing intent is
really the norm, not the exception here in the US. And how did he turn
the tables on her? What you say makes no sense. She is a food writer.
She is paid to give opinions about restaurants. This is what she does.
The restaurateurs are paid to provide good food, service and ambience.
If they don't anyone and everyone should feel free to spread the word.
I mean, really, do you blame the Better Business Bureau when they
report that a contractor cuts corners or doesn't deliver? Companies
use "secret shoppers" to check up on things all the time. This is
nothing new or unique to restaurants.
Again, read up some more before siding with the management here. She
and her party were kept waiting 45 minutes past reservation time, the
partner who tossed her said that service was "hairy" that night and
hopes the incident will prevent her from reviewing the restaurant.
AND, that any review she produces has to be considered biased.
The restauranteur is a douchebag and a poor-thinking business person.
There really is such a thing as bad publicity. If the guy had half a
brain he could have easily and gracefully avoided this whole brouhaha.
He's a jerk. Really. A big one. In spades.
Boron
wrote:
Read up on her a bit more. She isn't a flaming loon, she is a food
critic for THE paper in LA and has been there for 16 years. There are
going to be times when a restaurant really sucks and if she reports it
any less truthfully, she isn't doing her job.
These places are multi-million dollar investments and they come and go
like snowflakes. There is a reason. It isn't just one review that
makes or breaks them, either. Not these days. A lot of these places
are misbegotten money pits that charge diners huge sums for mediocre
food with a "because we can" mentality.
As I posted already, reviewers coming in without announcing intent is
really the norm, not the exception here in the US. And how did he turn
the tables on her? What you say makes no sense. She is a food writer.
She is paid to give opinions about restaurants. This is what she does.
The restaurateurs are paid to provide good food, service and ambience.
If they don't anyone and everyone should feel free to spread the word.
I mean, really, do you blame the Better Business Bureau when they
report that a contractor cuts corners or doesn't deliver? Companies
use "secret shoppers" to check up on things all the time. This is
nothing new or unique to restaurants.
Again, read up some more before siding with the management here. She
and her party were kept waiting 45 minutes past reservation time, the
partner who tossed her said that service was "hairy" that night and
hopes the incident will prevent her from reviewing the restaurant.
AND, that any review she produces has to be considered biased.
The restauranteur is a douchebag and a poor-thinking business person.
There really is such a thing as bad publicity. If the guy had half a
brain he could have easily and gracefully avoided this whole brouhaha.
He's a jerk. Really. A big one. In spades.
Boron
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:19:02 -0500, Cheryl
wrote:
My dear, please, do not tarry here, as you're a pain in the ass. It
is none of your concern if other posters do like the thread (which
happens to be on topic as it refers to restaurants, but as you do not
know OT from Shinola that wouldn't be known to you), because, as they
say, who died and made you queen?
..
Boron
wrote:
My dear, please, do not tarry here, as you're a pain in the ass. It
is none of your concern if other posters do like the thread (which
happens to be on topic as it refers to restaurants, but as you do not
know OT from Shinola that wouldn't be known to you), because, as they
say, who died and made you queen?
..
Boron
In article
,
ImStillMags wrote:
That could be an explanation. Then again, maybe he's gotten burned by
anonymous reviews in the past. I don't remember whether he was a bar
owner, but he has definitely claimed on here that he has at least
managed several bars in Las Vegas.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]
,
ImStillMags wrote:
That could be an explanation. Then again, maybe he's gotten burned by
anonymous reviews in the past. I don't remember whether he was a bar
owner, but he has definitely claimed on here that he has at least
managed several bars in Las Vegas.
--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]
kbonier2007
New member
On Tue, 4 Jan 2011 13:45:38 -0500, "Ed Pawlowski"
wrote:
$10 is a bit much. It's more like $5-8 if they charge, but being
charged for wifi in the USA surprises me these days. Not so long ago,
I would not have been surprised - but it seems like everyone travels
with a laptop or alternative now and almost all the motel/hotels (even
the least expensive, no frills of places) have free access. They may
not have wifi, but you can plug in and get free internet access. I
stayed in the wilds just outside Badlands National Park last Fall. We
only had a couple of television channels so my husband couldn't watch
"the game", but I had free internet access.
--
Never trust a dog to watch your food.
wrote:
$10 is a bit much. It's more like $5-8 if they charge, but being
charged for wifi in the USA surprises me these days. Not so long ago,
I would not have been surprised - but it seems like everyone travels
with a laptop or alternative now and almost all the motel/hotels (even
the least expensive, no frills of places) have free access. They may
not have wifi, but you can plug in and get free internet access. I
stayed in the wilds just outside Badlands National Park last Fall. We
only had a couple of television channels so my husband couldn't watch
"the game", but I had free internet access.
--
Never trust a dog to watch your food.
~Boo Thang~
New member
Dave Smith wrote:
The most likely scenario is that she had used him to try to get drugs
illegally, putting his license to practice in jeopardy.
gloria p
The most likely scenario is that she had used him to try to get drugs
illegally, putting his license to practice in jeopardy.
gloria p