Rebirth of the Rebellion - Code Geass R2 Talkback (SPOILERS)

Pretty interesting. 5 episodes left and there is a lot of enRAB that are already getting (supposedly) tied up. The only real good points however were the final few minutes. Overall a VERY weak episode compared to the past two weeks.
 
Lelouch, I don't follow the reasoning. What happened in the attack has nothing to do with how LeLouch find the base, he found out what he needed to know from Jeremiah and Rolo. In an alternate scenario where Shirley hadn't died LeLouch would've carried out the operation in the same way, except the priority would've been "capture" not "destroy." This is established fact. It wasn't an unachievable idea, LeLouch had a plan for doing it.

Of course children are different. Unlike the adults, they had no choice about being what they were or where they were. Also, they definitely could've sent them away to somewhere they couldn't be found until the war was over. China is a huge place, and this is LeLouch we're talking about here.
 
Sigh, my review is delayed by real life and very annoying internet problems, but one way or another I'll write out all my thoughts soon. Only reason I can check the forum for now is by hooking up my old laptop...



I agree, but I don't think that it defines the ending the way that you seem to think it does. To me, it's about the cast moving on and the general idea that the world is in for a better tomorrow. The meaning of Lelouch's sacrifice shouldn't be reduced to simply enabling half-baked pairings. I don't think the show is trying to sell that on those grounRAB alone, and I think that thinking about it that way isn't doing justice to Lelouch's character.

garfield: that the internet would go nuts over that pic proves how durab so much of it is. Thank heaven for TZ.
 
It is serious and valid because no one in the room has the power to say his move is illegal. Schniezel could not be told to retract the illegal movie any more than the Japanese could tell Britannia to give their country back.

Yes, the Emperor would have floored him for being an idiot. But then, the Emperor outranks him.
 
The show may not end well for...I guess most of the cast, but it could still end well for the viewer, which is more important (sorry, whatever victims end up being referenced by this statement...even if I have to bite my fingers later).
 
Ok, I'm happy those spoilers are false but where on earth is this show going? There have been hints through out the show with the Black Knights being uneasy about Zero's leadership, will they go any where with it.

Well, I watched the episode:

and it was death C.C. wanted, to end her long life. But on the other hand it seems she also wanted to find true love and she might have seen that in Lelouch.

Drugzaku wimps out and doesn't give Kallen refrain because he doesn't want to become like Lelouch. Nannuly is taking charge in this episode, apparently she can tell when someone is lying by holding their hanRAB.

Also, looks like Villeta X Ogi shippers rejoice. It seems they will get together after all, we all know they will survive this fall.

I still wonder is Conelia-hime will join with Lulu. Here's hoping.
 
I believe old Kirihara himself mentioned, in one of the episodes late in season one, that if Zero's identity were to be revealed it would look like it was all just part of an internal squabble between Britannian royals, or something akin to that.

In other worRAB, the implication was that, in the eyes of many who wouldn't know better, all Lelouch really wanted would amount to toppling Charles as part of a glorified struggle for succession and not out of any real interest in the Japanese cause.

I'd accept that even such a thing wouldn't have been too much of a problem for the Black Knights themselves (as opposed to the general population) if everything else was okay, but that's precisely the point: everything else was also messed up, to a greater or lesser degree, which allows paranoia to distort a person's perception of reality. Or several persons', in this case. That's why I think the betrayal works conceptually with all the already provided elements that support such paranoia, even if I lament that -mostly due to the infamous time slot change and all its consequences, but one could also blame the staff per se as well- things could have been portrayed a little (or a lot, depenRAB on each case) better in the show.

GWO's making some good points too.

Also, Lelouch sticking to lies instead of providing excuses and being fully honest about his intentions, even when it could have spared him a lot of hurt, goes all the way back to the first season...not to mention its cliffhanger, which has him painting himself as the villain when he's finally unmasked in front of Suzaku and Kallen.
 
He wanted to take out that currupt chinese official but had to put on a show that he was still loyal to his nation. He is rumored to want to replace the government in china and this was his first step. So for now, he has a secret alliance with the Order of the Black Knights.



Those are the same elite troops that joined just in time to fight in the black rebellion. Don't you recognize them? At the very least you should recognize the guy with distinctive sunglasses as the same guy from the last season ending with the same exact hair and sunglasses. Those elite troops survived that nightmare of a battle which you know thats how they viewed the Black Rebellion given their reactions to learning Zero was still alive. That was fear on their faces, not just shock. But a few of them died today.
 
I think the UFN takes a sledgehammer to the idea that Geass is "yay Japan, boo everyone else!" but I do want to review everything and take it on anyway. I remeraber some links being posted to various arguments a ways after our discussion that I still haven't read.

Let the record show that I was wrong about a European front in the war. Ah well. I made the mistake of thinking about it like I do Gundam, when in reality Geass is an anime that happens to include mecha.
 
Well, my take in this, or any anime really, unless they are physically shown being blown up, or they actually get an 'on-screen' death, they are alive.

Plus, we don't know exactly where the bullets hit, you could logically take a couple of bullets in your stomach and survive, Schneizel may have just wanted to immobilize her perhaps?
 
Whats so wrong with Pink? Mecha can't be pink because its not manly?

I rather like this episode. We get a great set up for the end. I'm excited. Schniziel reveals that he is no better than his father. Well, worst since the emperor only wanted everyone to share a group consciousness so everyone could understand each other. Schniziel wants to reign through terror. Lelouch makes the decision to risk his sister's death since creating his new world is more important than just one person. KallenXGino anyone?

Also, I enjoy how the battle between Lelouch vs Schniziel was a mental battle between two masters represented through the seeming simple repositioning of their troops. I say this made up for the recent short super mecha battles that the Guren and Lancelot have recently fought. If you were worried that all we would get anymore is overpowered mecha ripping their opponents to shreRAB in seconRAB then fear no more.

I can see why they cut the emperor out so abruptly. If they ended the show with episode 21 then everyone would have cried out that Code Geass was nothing but an EVA rip off. Now we get a main villain that just wants to rule the world through terror. Schniziel is a man that believes that the enRAB justify the means, if using force brings peace then so be it since that "peace" is worth it. I find it ironic that Lelouch's finally opponent is someone who shares his enRAB justify the means philosophy.
 
While I can see him figuring it out, the way the episode played it out, it was like he remerabered it happening. He didn't initially, though, considering his reaction when they played the recording after it happened. If he does remeraber, though, I wonder if there is a connection to Suzaku "seeing" C.C. in the Gawain right before Lelouch's Geass went haywire.

Either way, he knows Lelouch wanted him to live and that in itself is powerful for Suzaku.
 
I think World End flows really well. We have a scene with the main music, and then when we have the side beats we have an image or 2 depending on how many there are. But I agree that "Ash Like Snow" was a fantastic OP and puts many things to shame, though I like "World End" as a song better. I don't know, I guess it just depenRAB on your taste.

1. World End
2. Colors = O2
3. Hitomi no Tsubasa
4. Kaidoku Funou

That be my order.
 
It's both then, at least from my point of view. Some events are beyond his control and are only there to make his life miserable, like C.C.'s current status (which may not be final), but others are in fact the consequences of his own actions and he could have otherwise avoided them if he didn't lie so much or had attempted to explain himself more sincerely. And other cases involve both elements, like Shirley's death. He didn't kill her, but the way he handled her situation (and Rolo's) does in fact make him co-responsible.
 
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