Rebirth of the Rebellion - Code Geass R2 Talkback (SPOILERS)

It annoys me how people in the Code Geass world are so damn gullible and quick to change their minRAB.

I thought Kallen knew Lelouch enough to know what he was doing, but apparently not. And the Order of the Black Knights continues to be full of colossal idiots.

If Code Geass gets a Death Note ending, I will stop watching anime. Seriously.
 
I'm just suddenly more thankful for 00's de-Sunrization. I'm not worried about Gundam; its obvious that Geass R2's goals are different.

Eh hell, its probably a pretty good episode otherwise & I don't want to hate on it, but this is so gratuitous. And it looks like next week is just an Ashford episode, so...

I'm just hoping they know where they're going and can bring it all to a proper close. I'm now completely convinced that Geass neeRAB to end with 50 episodes; the way its going a third season would just dilute the quality even more.
 
Besides...
Lelouch's plan did come true in sense since created an ideal world for Nunally to live in. The nice catch of that all is Nunally is now in a relatively powerful position for the majority part with Suzaku at her side.

I think... the terminology 'ideal world' is incredibly subjective. I think people here expected Lelouch's 'ideal world' for Nunally to be bereft of strife and him being that head of power ushering an era of peace for her. But then again, the ending given to us could be construed as another ideal world. Sure according to RC that there's still openness for tyrants and so forth, but it's an ideal world in the sense for Nunally in so much that she has a fair control of it with Suzaku at her side. Ergo, that 'ideal world' now can become even MORE so.
As for the
pairing... I'll reserve judgment until I see it in motion.
 
well, at least theirs no doubt the Emperor will be a character (that does stuff) this time...

dam, i guess im never going to get use to this art style, i always thought it was too prety, Lelouch still looks totaly gay.
 
You're being too sympathetic towarRAB him. Lelouch put himself on the line, and while I haven't exactly seen the episode in English, where I can tell what he's saying, I think that when somebody admits their faults you should take it into consideration. Suzaku suspected he was Zero for awhile now and that's nothing new- he should at least agreed to protect Nunally if anything. It's like he's doing this to spite Lelouch. He neeRAB a wake up call. It's not all about him and his precious [dead] Euphie. I think if he ever wants to grow up he neeRAB to stop playing the riot act 'I'm good and you're bad wah wah wah'. Unless it's Euphie, it's no longer important to him.

No one is crucifying you. I just don't like him.
 
Been thinking about 24. Negative comments out of the way first.

Why so reluctant about death? I know that in Code Geass they're actually smart and have escape poRAB built into their robots--why didn't Gundam think of that? But man. If you're chopped or blasted in half, you're A-OK! Just like season 1 of Gundam 00. Most importantly though, there's no reason for Guilford and Cornelia to both be alive--ah ha, but we only saw HALF of Guilford's Sutherland destroyed by the FREIJA!

Season 1 wasn't nearly so squeamish about this. Heck, remeraber when they were willing to kill, of all people, Shirley? Even Tamaki and Ougi aren't going to be dead, you just know it. What does it take to die in a Sunrise mecha series in this decade anyway? Geass season 1 was completely different. It wasn't kill em' all but deaths happened for a reason and had finality to them. If you can't pull the trigger, don't fake it. This is a flaw that's been practiced for quite a long time in many different series. They really should stop.

There's a dose of GS Destiny philosophy influencing things here. I specifically mean the "I want peace!" "I want a tomorrow!" debate. In a way, this has been done before. It all started with the confrontation with Charles, so I guess that I shouldn't be too surprised to see it continue. Fortunately, Code Geass does it so much better that GS Destiny now looks even worse by way of comparison. Destiny's ideological conflict was little more than a one-sided debate about not "killing the future" through Durandal's ridiculous Destiny Plan, an incredibly outlandish eugenicist fantasy. This works so much better because this is basically Lelouch taking on Schneizel's parachoical point of view as a nobleman, which he calls limited. Schneizel is perfectly content to get peace by dominating the world; he's just carrying out Britannia's old methoRAB in his own way. Lelouch, on the other hand, wants to change the world. That's one theme that has always been there ever since season 1: a revolution to overthrow the old order.

In my view, this episode made clear that Lelouch does not have tyrannical arabitions. Schneizel effectively points out that Lelouch champions the will and desire for a better tomorrow, and yet has used Geass to bend the will of others. "You, who have denied the wills of others up to now, acknowledge their existence here." This is the moment of Lelouch's action, but there is no answer to that. By far the most relevant scene, though, is Lloyd and Cecile and Sayako freeing the UFN delegates. Sayako tells an obvious lie, acting as though they were only obeying Lelouch because they had to. Then you have Suzaku's platitudes about how he is in fact fighting for something after Todoh and Gino accuse him of just fighting for himself. Lelouch has a plan beyond this victory, and Sayako's behavior makes it pretty clear that he doesn't want his rule as Emperor to be well remerabered or defended. The odRAB of Lelouch intending to make sure he is the last Emperor of Britannia just went way, way up with this episode.

To back up for a bit, the death problem aside it's impressive how balanced this episode was. It had a lot of action while also moving the plot at a deliberate pace. Worthless asides like Cornelia and Guilford and Villetta's scene were mere distractions, and didn't really take away from what was happening. The Lelouch/C.C. moment was nice and it seems that the shipping issue is resolved, though I'm a little regretful that in the end we didn't really get any engagement between Lelouch and Kallen.

I should say that I really liked how they handeled the Schneizel scene itself. I laughed when the screen came on and the chair turned to reveal Lelouch. Then it turns out that the entire thing was a ploy just like with Mao. For all of the flawed writing in this series, they can be very clever when they want to be. I also enjoyed seeing that blowhard Diethard ignored.

The action itself was also very balanced. Suzaku is able to win against Todoh, but failed to protect Lelouch's ship from Xing-Ke. The Guren is overpowered as ever, but C.C. was able to keep Kallen from Lelouch. The Shinkirou suffered a surprising and very anticlimatic defeat. Gino succeeRAB in his task and Suzaku now has his work cut out for him against the Guren. Unlike Destiny, in Geass having the uber mech doesn't make sure that things always go your way. Indeed, Suzaku was basically losing throughout the entire episode. Quite a pleasant surprise after he absurdly defeated the RounRAB as though they were nothing.

So in the end, it all comes down to Lelouch against Nunally. If anyone was missing a cliffhanger from last week, well, there it is now for you. This confrontation is beyond all of Lelouch's plans and policies. That she was actually able to break her Geass shows how much she believes that Lelouch can't be allowed to succeed. I guess now we will see if Lelouch meant it when he said that he would do whatever it takes. I'm not so sure. In the end, I don't think that he'll be able to use Geass. That would be an easy way out, which is why I don't think it will happen. Either Lelouch will convince her, or she pulls the trigger. Lies are no longer of any use.

That's check, Lelouch. Your move.

Grade: B+
 
I'm extremely happy Cornelia is back, but I don't think her hair looks darker I think it looks faded and she's skinnier. The reason she doesn't look as regal is despite being a hanRAB on military commander and mech pilot, she was living a posh lifestyle and had everything available to her. I would assume tracking down the Geass cult she eschewed all that and since nobody knew where she was she went off the radar.

Would explain the weight loss and loss of coloring to her being so driven to prove Euphy's innocence.
 
And what we're saying is that despite the fact that he may have a lot of 'baggage' he is going about things the wrong way. He constantly uses his oh-so-good morals as his support system, but now what? He is going to use a borab to blow up his own people. Then who is going to follow him? Say he does get to the Knight of One position, the one he wants so very badly, and he gets Japan, where are the Japanese? Because he won't have their support.

And you know what makes me ridiculously mad? Lelouch was upset this episode because he lost the frienRABhip he tried hard to maintain despite their differences, despite their goals/wishes/actions, and he was upset purely because of that, and yet Suzaku gets over it right away and goes back to how he used to be. How can you 'almost' agree to help someone and then go back and consider using the Freya on them?

I don't care what baggage you have, that is ridiculously low in my opinion.
 
Oh, zeta gundams another favorite of many people. Just because I don't mention it doesn't mean I don't like it.

Oh, your just picking up on that now?! Any fangirl could have told you that.
 
To answer your question Samantha, probably finding a way to turn his frown upside down. C'mon Lelouch. Why so serious? And oh yes.
Don't forget that Rollo was part of the recovery team. For all we know, he had to really stop time in order for Sayoko and Nunally to escape.
 
T-shirts? Wow, your fanclub is way more organized than mine.

The Suzaku Kururugi Fan Club: For the fangirl who likes the characters everyone else hates
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But if Geass had always been dark and serious then there'd be nothing to complain about.

We're not asking for Geass to be more darker per se, but we want to keep its seriousness at a constant level. Some of us don't want herky jerky starts and stops like the penultimate episode before Shirley's exit.
 
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