"Prophet Mohammed Lovers"

The Bible is made up of two parts. The Jewish Old Testament and the Christian New Testament. Both books were written by a number of authors over a period of time. The Old Testament was written over several hundred years and the New Testament over a period of a couple of hundred years or so. There were many texts from the Christian era not included in the final version drawn up around the year 400AD. One of those includes the Gospel of Judas (although he wasn't crucified instead of Jesus to the best of my knowledge).
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don't you think that the authors that wrote it have changed certain things .. b'cuz God says so in Koran ..
 
moslem01 said:
moses had stick that transforms into a giant snack as soon as it is thrown
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I'm starving.

No, I take your point. Both the koran and the bible are filled with witchery that's almost certainly a result of deliberate factual embroidery. Which was a common trait of writers at the time, it seems.

As works of historical value, they're the docudrama of the library.
Which is fine, so long as you follow the values they teach rather than start arguments with people about how the moon was definitely split into two or how Jesus definitely fed a brazillion people using only his lunch-box.
 
Yeah but twice recently people who profess to be Muslim have simply stated that others were "wrong".

Not that they disagree, that the other person was "wrong!"

You must see how that is theologically arrogant.

To say nothing of a chap who clearly doesn't speak English very well giving English lessons.

You must see how that would come across as linguistically arrogant.
 
S3v3N said:
not only Muslims will go to heaven lol ! every one that believe in god will go to heaven !
and i think even if you don't believe in god and you are good , you don't hate you don't hurt you treat people good , you respect people then you'll go to heaven .

i don't now if there is different creatures in different planets ! maybe .


it's like when you have a son ? you like him to be good , you reward him if he did something good and you punish him if he did something bad .
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You're the first chap i've ever seen say that the none religious could go to heaven.

Obviously I think you're wrong as I don't believe in heaven anyway, like. I agree that it does sound fantastic and stuff, I just don't believe it exists.

On the plus side, if it did turn out that I was wrong about heaven, I could still go:yup:
 
Biggles said:
If the trees are sad they should be allowed to cut themselves :emo:

Sam, I am aware that there is school of thought that Aisha was 19 when she married Mohammed but some Moslem countries like Yemen have a marriage of 9 for girls because of the tradition that Aisha was 9. So it isn't just the West that perpetuates this concept. The few Moslem fathers that I have known would not dream of allowing their 9 year old daughters to marry but they were very Western in outlook so I don't know what things are like in Yemen, Afghanistan or Pakistan.
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I wasn't aware of that.if Yemen is doing this so this wrong and against what Islam states and against common sense also but Yemen is just 3 million people and even if we add Afghanistan and Pakistan they will be minority among Muslims
no educated muslim will allow 9 years old girl to marry.all muslim countries that i know of are prohibit such act.
benchez said:
Is it true that at the beginning of the koran there is a warning which roughly translates as.

*Anything which doesn't make Mohammed look good has been omitted from this book.''

:unsure:
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no there is no such verse.in fact,quran said about Mohammed that he is just a man,allah blesses him with the message even prophet Mohammed himself said he is just a man and he told us not to praise him or think of him as a god .
Mohammed told us to treat people equally told us to treat people of the book who don't fight us good esp. Christians and it's also in the quran .
all what's going on is from some radicals not all Muslims think or act like them.
i have Christian friends and neighbors and we visit and treat each other like we are brothers and sisters and it isn't just me all over my country is the same.
also hitting women and treat them bad only happened in poor neighborhood and people who do that will be punish by law.
 
sufis are like nuns in churches , they choose to live poor and to give most of their money to help other poor people , and pray for long times , travel to tell people about Koran and god .

Thanks for that.

Re the Worship part I meant do both groups have the same services, times to pray, traditions. That sort of thing really.

Who did the other group, the suna, believe should lead.
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they do the same Islam 5 basic things.
pray 5 times/ day .
fasting in Ramadan"Arabic month to sense the poor people feeling".
Zakah "giving a percentage of what you own to poor people"
ِAlhag "group of things Muslims do in mecca"
Alshhadateen "believing that there is only one God which is Allah and believing that his messenger is Mohamed"

Suna doesn't believe that one was more worthy than another one ,they respect the order which the circumstances at that time allow .
 
God has no son .
Jesus was son of miriam the virgin " dunno what you call her " , and god give him the life from his spirit without a father .

That he came to Earth as a man, suffered and died horribly on the cross and was resurrected from death. He did this willingly. We believe that he fulfilled scripture in doing this, wiped out the sins of man and brought God's new covenant with his people. A "fresh start" if you will. We believer that he is the most important historical or theological figure who will ever live and we should follow him and base our lives on his teachings.
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Jesus is not dead , wasn't crucified .
the Jews crucified someone else that they thought is Jesus .
god take Jesus up to heavens . and Jesus will come in the final war between those who believe in god and those who don't and lead the believers.

it's all in the Koran .

You think he was a messenger, like Moses.

So I'm going to have to suggest that people who follow Christ and believe he was God incarnate have a slightly higher opinion of him than people who think he was one of the prophets.
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He was a messenger from god .
 
So they vary on one very specific thing and are exactly the same on everything else. In what they believe and in how they worship.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Would they inter-marry and the like or do the people tend to "stick to their own"
 
the first words in kuran says :
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds Most Merciful
after that there is a sora called el bakra which says :
that koran is a book which is no thing false or untrue in it
 
Well.
I want to clear somethings up.
1-Prophet mohammed never married 9 years old girl.This story is totally wrong.It's sad that you can find at many sites on the internet and it's sad that some Arabians even think it's true but there many historical studies since 1520 a.c. said that incident never happened as it was described in the novel.thew woman mentioned is this story was the youngest woman of the first companion of the prophet she was born about 15 years before his immigration to Medina and they got married after 5 years from his staying in Medina that made her almost 20 years old when they got married.
there many stories and cross-references about incidents that this woman was old enough to be married but alas many foreigner scholars who dislike Islam took a false tale and made it popular.
2-women in Islam have the right to remarry if she dislike her husband all she needs to do is go in front of the judge and say she doesn't want this marriage that's it nothing more.
but Saudi Arabian laws which are in the most are radical and out of date is the cause of all this mess.they twisting some of Islamic laws.
3-the core of islam that Muslims should follow is don't attack till you will be attacked
if you are in war with any nation don't kill women ,cut trees kill children or elder people.
you must treat people all equally and to never hurt them in any way.
people of the book"Christians and jews" are to be treated good and just
there is no difference between any human being and another and they must be measured by their deeds not my their color of skin or their nationality or their religion.

At the end maybe not all Muslims follow what i just say but this what Islam is about.
like Christianity and any other religion we see people do what the bible say and we see others don't.
and Muslims are 1.5 billion people when few go a wrong way that doesn't say Islam is wrong.
 
Don't be a prick s3v3n, we've already covered this.

There are craters within that rille, which places it older than 600 years, probably millions of years or so.
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yea there are craters within the rille but who told you it's millions of years old !
and nasa still don't know the origin of those rilles.
 
Biggles said:
Islamic scholars have the original copies of the documents discovered and are quietly working through them too and I think are in contact with the German University involved. It will undoubtedly be a slow process as the current view of the Koran doesn't allow for this sort of revision. However, in a world where everyone has access to the interwebs such information cannot be ignored lest others take ownership of the exposition of what reasonably they consider their texts - a far more intolerable outcome.
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So, if there is any dubiety they must claim it as their own, rather than leave it in the hand of the infidel. That makes sense, for pragmatic reasons if nothing else.

I believe we have done the same thing with the origins of the Bible and in particular the Gospels.

For religion to deny science is ludicrous.
 
i doubt that you read the Koran ! at least you didn't understand what it means completely.
And, more men go to war? What does that say about the religion lol, woman cannot join the forces can they? Why is that?
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women go to war too but they have different tasks and they are far less than men !
at that time wars were with swords and depend on the physical power which females lack ! but this doesn't mean that women didn't participate in war . Muslim wifes help in treating the wounded , they were responsible of the transported hospitals that they set where ever there was war . and they have the biggest job which is raising the kids and tightening their faith .

And it says they should be treated equally, you don't need tot beat woman right to treat them equally.
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Islam prohibit beating women .

Marriage is about love, devotion and dedication, so people are forces to marry, and surely, marrying a woman, and then marrying three more, is not treating them equal, it's not respectful lol, anywhere else in the world that kind of thing is called Bigamy and it is against the law.
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i told you in Islam it's hated to marry 4 women but it's not against religion !
and i told you why in my previous posts .

Bigamy ! oh tell me how many ppl get married in the western world nowadays ! tell me the divorce rates ! tell me how many cheat on their wifes ! tell me how many make sex with a complete stranger ! tell me about prostitution ! tell me how many children are raised without a father or a mother or without both !

These rules were made to protect society from those hazards.

Don't try and say there's more men than woman, that has nothing to do with men marrying 4 people at once, there's someone out there for everyone, people shouldn't be forced to marry, or promote Bigamy. It's just not right.
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no one is forcing anyone .
 
Mr JP Fugley said:
My understanding is that those who say they are committing acts of terror in the name of your religion are actually behaving in a manner contrary to it.

As such they are not doing it in the name of the religion. Just because a terrorist says they are acting on behalf of a religion doesn't mean it's true. So long as the actual leaders of the religion condemn their actions.
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Very good point. If someone commits a crime in the name of (Whatever the mentalist chooses here).

It doesn't mean whoever they happened to refer to supported it.

The eminently reasonable JP for cunt-punch mod indeed. :smilie4:
 
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