"Prophet Mohammed Lovers"

I have absolutely no problem with anyone believing in God.
However I have a hard time putting faith in any religion.Most if not all seem to have been created by one group of people trying to gain power over another group.
Good example is Europe in the Middle-ages.Bunch of guys couldn't cut it as soldiers so they thought up another way to impose their will on others. The people were suffering from the same oppression it was just dressed a little differently.

Remember
"But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you".
Don't know about you but if I'm ever in need of a hypocrite first place I'd look is in a church.
 
Now to the bit you might find difficult. The Koran, like the Bible developed over a couple of hundred years. Scholars are working on ancient Yemeni texts discovered in an old mosque back in the 1970s. These earliest texts show differences from the current Koran and subtle variations in emphasis. I believe something like 35,000 microfiche copies were made of these early texts and are currently being worked on in both Germany and Yemen.

The only religious text that was handed out in one complete go was the Book of Mormon (and that is completely mental imho)
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i would like you to put some reference .
 
not only Muslims will go to heaven lol ! every one that believe in god will go to heaven !
and i think even if you don't believe in god and you are good , you don't hate you don't hurt you treat people good , you respect people then you'll go to heaven .

i don't now if there is different creatures in different planets ! maybe .
why would your god be bothered if people believed in him or not then?
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it's like when you have a son ? you like him to be good , you reward him if he did something good and you punish him if he did something bad .
 
IdolEyes787 said:
That's still rubbish.
These people are an easy target for recruitment into terrorist organizations because of world events and not their religion.
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Rubbish, indeed.

Islam as a religion is simply a banner under which certain groups, who strive to gain politically or economically, have sought to rally support. The underlying message of Islam is clear and is likely a familiar one to most westerners, as it most likely owes its roots to Judaism and Christianity. the religion itself has never condoned the present acts of terrorism as the religion is only being used to rally support for the causes of other groups. Often passages are taken out of context to justify these acts much like the witch burnings have been justified by poorly translated passages from the bible in an attempt to further subjugate women and stamp out other competing beliefs. So, one can't really state that Muslims are to blame. The fact that these terrorists are Muslim is simply circumstance, these acts of terrorism at its roots are not motivated by religion, but by politics. They are simply pawns in a politically motivated struggle that has been going on for centuries.

The current acts of terrorism can be directly attributed to western meddling in middle eastern affairs, motivated by western interests in the region. But, this isn't anything new. The west has a long history of imposing its will on other nations in its efforts to secure its own interests in natural resources. So, it was bound to happen that a nation would rise up against them. And, for impoverished countries that are outgunned, terrorism is a natural choice as a method of warfare...it has proven highly effective so far. I mean look at the reaction of 9/11, most people weren't even aware of the terrorism taking place abroad. Some have called it cowardly, but how else does David stand up to Goliath?

Anyway, the point i was trying to get across...the Muslim religion is not to blame for terrorism, politics is the true culprit. there's nothing inherently wrong with the religion and it has its fair share of ignorant followers as do all religions...some of which are apperently in this thread.

And to the OP's comment about PML's sigs professing their faith, professing your hatred of something is far from the same as stating that you love something. I mean, why would anyone want to illicit the inevitably negative reactions to such a sig. And to suggest that they should be removed, what if I objected to TPB because it tracks child porn? would it be right for me to suggest that this site disallow any mention of it in sigs? Unlikely. To each their own, live and let live, and so on.

Sorry for the long post to those that bother to read it.
 
Proper Bo said:
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Pure interweb genius. :01:
 
Indeed, you have an open mind.
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open minded doesn't mean that i have to approve every thing that is said .

what he said was totally wrong , and i read the article he referred to and it doesn't say nothing or prove anything and there is no evidence that it's true .
i hope the German scientist publish what he finds and tell us the differences between the copy he found and the known Koran if it's true .
 
chalice said:
Ya, but he only appears at the most opportune minutes, dispenses some wonderful wisdom and slinks back into the ether. I'm not even sure he exists.

All we really have is the wurd of some wumman.
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So we do have a Sacred Cow.

Damn you and your lies manker Chalice.
 
Why do you people always have to try to change our minds about the stuff you believe in. Be happy you're on the right side and let other people in their beliefs.

It's that attitude that has been causing a lot of the adverse reactions when talking about the 'Islam'. When you people say that there is only one God and that's Allah you offend a lot of people here because they believe God (the father of Jesus) is the only God.

Maybe it's about time some members started to get signatures advertising for God and Jesus to be the true saviors.
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mate .. we believe that God is one . and Jesus is the savior .
the only difference is that you think Jesus was crucified .. we don't think so .. God says in Koran that Jews though that they crucified Jesus but the didn't they crucified someone else that look like Jesus .
 
chalice said:
Mate, it's the internets, like.

Those waylaid of reason will always seek to convert on such a powerful medium. Their dogma dictates as such.

It is a testament to reason that their nativity becomes our Whipping Boy.

What else is there to do except disagree.
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We could get Tesco to tell us who they are, hunt them down like the dogs they are and kick fuck out of them.

You know it makes sence.
 
Skizo said:
A bit narrow minded, but tough to refute as well. Muslims have a bad image in the Western world as that's who we see continually committing terrorist acts.
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Not that anyone saying that sort of thing automatically translates to racism, seeing as religion doesn't have much to do with "race". Edit: And it's not even particularily narrow minded.

And it's not that mental a statement either.

Suicide bombers tend to be religious people, as it kind of helps "knowing" that you'll be rewarded for it. And when you have radical religious leaders condoning it, that helps too. And you've got them lovely blokes declaring jihads and whatnot, too.

That just happens to be a bit more common in islamic nations, right now.


EDit:
Not that there aren't other countries declaring war back and forth and invading stuff, like what the US does, but their excuses tend to have to do with other stuff than religion.
 
emperorIX said:
I personally find any public affinity for or affiliation with any group, belief or ideology that I do not ascribe to or am a part of myself to be incredibly offensive. Such as all of this rubbish in the sigs of others sporting the trackers they are a part of that I am not. Elitist scum.... (obvious sarcasm).
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:lol: I'm guessing you're not American.
 
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