"Prophet Mohammed Lovers"

chalice said:
Religion shoulders the onus for many atrocities but it really comes down to politics. The politic of 'this is mine and you're not getting it' being the cynosure of the universe.
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Indeed and if those committing the atrocities claim that they are doing it in the name of religion that does not make it so. Particularly if the actual heads of the religion make it clear that they are not.
 
emperorIX said:
Rubbish, indeed.

Islam as a religion is simply a banner under which certain groups, who strive to gain politically or economically, have sought to rally support. The underlying message of Islam is clear and is likely a familiar one to most westerners, as it most likely owes its roots to Judaism and Christianity. the religion itself has never condoned the present acts of terrorism as the religion is only being used to rally support for the causes of other groups. Often passages are taken out of context to justify these acts much like the witch burnings have been justified by poorly translated passages from the bible in an attempt to further subjugate women and stamp out other competing beliefs. So, one can't really state that Muslims are to blame. The fact that these terrorists are Muslim is simply circumstance, these acts of terrorism at its roots are not motivated by religion, but by politics. They are simply pawns in a politically motivated struggle that has been going on for centuries.

The current acts of terrorism can be directly attributed to western meddling in middle eastern affairs, motivated by western interests in the region. But, this isn't anything new. The west has a long history of imposing its will on other nations in its efforts to secure its own interests in natural resources. So, it was bound to happen that a nation would rise up against them. And, for impoverished countries that are outgunned, terrorism is a natural choice as a method of warfare...it has proven highly effective so far. I mean look at the reaction of 9/11, most people weren't even aware of the terrorism taking place abroad. Some have called it cowardly, but how else does David stand up to Goliath?

Anyway, the point i was trying to get across...the Muslim religion is not to blame for terrorism, politics is the true culprit. there's nothing inherently wrong with the religion and it has its fair share of ignorant followers as do all religions...some of which are apperently in this thread.

And to the OP's comment about PML's sigs professing their faith, professing your hatred of something is far from the same as stating that you love something. I mean, why would anyone want to illicit the inevitably negative reactions to such a sig. And to suggest that they should be removed, what if I objected to TPB because it tracks child porn? would it be right for me to suggest that this site disallow any mention of it in sigs? Unlikely. To each their own, live and let live, and so on.

Sorry for the long post to those that bother to read it.
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That seems a fair shout to me on the socio/economic front and as Sam said there are a lot of internal tensions in Middle Eastern politics regarding some pretty oppresive regimes that are supported by the West. Some of the ones not supported by the West aren't a bundle of laughs either.

I have no objection to people enjoying their religion and having a happy positive sig about it. On the other hand negative imflamatory sigs should get all they deserve regardless of topic.
 
moon`s splitting for me is a true fact if my god which i believe in told me that i won`t have a 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 doubt in what god says
(gr8 no of zeros right ? )
 
believe = know to be true = no difference .

[verb] accept as true; take to be true; "I believed his report"; "We didn't believe his stories from the War"; "She believes in spirits"
http://www.elook.org/dictionary/believe.html




i want to ask some questions .. i really don't know the answer to .

is there one bible ? are they all entirely the same ?

do you believe that the bible remain the same through all those years and those priests didn't change it . even small things .

lately i heard that there is an old bible discovered that said that Judas was crucified instead of Jesus ! is it true ?
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S3v3N said:
what's your references ?
lol most of those topics written on English aim to disrespect profit Mohamed and make him look bad ! believe me it was 9 when they married 14 when they have sex . and i told you why before in my previous post .

beside you don't know what it was like to live at that time !
girls were buried alive when they where born .. and when Islam come it prohibited such act ..
girls were just sex slaves and Islam prohibited that and only allowed sex with wife ..

profit Mohamed was and is considered the greatest man in all time .. just Google the greatest man of all time !
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You're just reading what you have read in the Koran or on the internet, unlike me, i bet you haven't looked it from different point of views before making you're decision.

Can you tell me the reason why Muslim males are allowed up to four wives, say one wife couldn't have children, he would be allowed a second, third or fourth wife because of it, and why Muslim woman are only allowed one husband, even if he was disabled and couldn't have children, she can't have children with another man.

Can you explain this someone.
 
Mr JP Fugley said:
In short, you feel that Islam may be going through it's "Galileo" moment and adapting itself to the modern World. If you are right we are witnesses to a seminal moment for a major religion. That would be pretty awesome.

Do you think the hierarchy are discussing this behind figurative closed doors and will only let the masses know when they have considered the full ramifications.
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Islamic scholars have the original copies of the documents discovered and are quietly working through them too and I think are in contact with the German University involved. It will undoubtedly be a slow process as the current view of the Koran doesn't allow for this sort of revision. However, in a world where everyone has access to the interwebs such information cannot be ignored lest others take ownership of the exposition of what reasonably they consider their texts - a far more intolerable outcome.
 
S3v3N said:
i just want to say that Muslims hate fascists and extremists !

we are not proud to have them on our religion .

we hate the killing of innocent ppl any where by any hands .
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My understanding is that those who say they are committing acts of terror in the name of your religion are actually behaving in a manner contrary to it.

As such they are not doing it in the name of the religion. Just because a terrorist says they are acting on behalf of a religion doesn't mean it's true. So long as the actual leaders of the religion condemn their actions.
 
Biggles said:
I did say he wouldn't like it.

However, in the interests of hands across the sea and all that stuff, this is a pretty balanced, if long, article on the subject.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran


Assuming he means the Koran - I am not wasting my time on Joseph Smith's amazing magic spectacles.
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You've got to remember that he is dealing in Fact and not Faith. So you are kind of (forgive me for this) pishing into the wind. Any evidence you can provide, no matter how well researched and corroborated, must be wrong because he already knows the truth.
 
S3v3N said:
i don't say "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god" ... that's totally wrong .
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totally what ???
shame on u , did u read koran ?? read sorra el tawba ( 5 ) and (29)
and tell me what deos it say ?
 
I am happy to do that and in return I would prefer for you guys to say "I respect your agnosticism" instead of "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god". It seems a fair trade to me.
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i don't say "kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god" ... that's totally wrong .
 
As JP said, there is nothing wrong with discussing different religious and cultural beliefs. It is also a fact that people enthusiastic about their own religion will always want to "share" their particular flavour of belief.

However, any religious statement made in the Lounge should be done on the understanding that the majority here subscribe to no particular religion and do not readily understand the pain jokes about God and religious figures can cause to some devoted believers. If this is going to be upsetting do not raise religious issues. If you are comfortable with the way the Lounge chews over topics then by all means discuss specific issues.

Threads designed simply to try convert people (like the Christian one "How to get to Heaven") are going to get a hard time. Fact! because that is just spam.
 
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