"Prophet Mohammed Lovers"

believe = know to be true = no difference .

[verb] accept as true; take to be true; "I believed his report"; "We didn't believe his stories from the War"; "She believes in spirits"
http://www.elook.org/dictionary/believe.html

The Bible is made up of two parts. The Jewish Old Testament and the Christian New Testament. Both books were written by a number of authors over a period of time. The Old Testament was written over several hundred years and the New Testament over a period of a couple of hundred years or so. There were many texts from the Christian era not included in the final version drawn up around the year 400AD. One of those includes the Gospel of Judas (although he wasn't crucified instead of Jesus to the best of my knowledge).

Now to the bit you might find difficult. The Koran, like the Bible developed over a couple of hundred years. Scholars are working on ancient Yemeni texts discovered in an old mosque back in the 1970s. These earliest texts show differences from the current Koran and subtle variations in emphasis. I believe something like 35,000 microfiche copies were made of these early texts and are currently being worked on in both Germany and Yemen.

The only religious text that was handed out in one complete go was the Book of Mormon (and that is completely mental imho)
 
well
this is a tricky question :)
But I'll be honest.
as long as he is worship Allah and doing the practice of Islam he is a Muslim but not a believer.
what's the difference here is to be a muslim all you need is to say you believe in Allah and in mohammed as his prophet but to be a believer is to have this faith in your heart to act according to Islam to do everything out of love.
Islam is about high morals and to treat people kind as long as they don't fight you.
about the member you are mentioned i think he meant no harm he just didn't understand the verse.
but to be honest.any one thinks that Islam asked us to kill non believers he has something wrong in his faith or he is misguided.
more to add,not all Muslims read quran or have good knowledge about Islam.some of them and that's really sad are misguided by some false media shows.
but trust me when i tell you that we all as Muslims in majority are just human beings who wants to live in peace.
but.we feel the injustice.we feel that people targeting our faith and our life.
i'll be more honest and tell you what's going on in the middle east.
we always hear American administration talks about freedom and democracy yet they never helps us to have them.
they are leaving those Arabian regimes-that killing many people daily and torture and imprison thousands of people- govern us.they also support them like they do with Saudi Arabia.
and why?
because of oil and because they are doing what they ordered to do?
people hate this policy that has two faces.
American administration makes a monster out of Islam like it's the only danger out there and it went into two wars saying they are for freedom and against terrorism but till this moment they haven't caught Ben laden,they haven't stopped terrorists.
and they never will.the reason of terrorism is poverty and injustice.
we don't believe America and we don't think it has good intentions cause they are killing innocent people in Iraq for no reason.
Before the invasion we never saw any terrorist in Iraq.now every town there are thousands and no one want USA to leave.
the radicals say it's an opportunity to kill as many as they can from The Americans.
Israel likes it that way cause USA fighting its war.
Arabian regimes likes too cause as long as USA has problems in Iraq she will never give a dam about democracy in Arabian region.
so every one benefits from the war except the Arabian people and the Americans.
only the people who suffered.Arabians suffers from injustice and the daily killings and the Americans see every day their sons killed and their economy collapses in order to what?
in order to fight a ghost and to chase a mirage.

he is a Muslim by name , he doesn't know anything about Islam .
WHY I DIDN'T THINK OF THAT?
it's the right and the easiest way to describe it :)
 
The Bible is made up of two parts. The Jewish Old Testament and the Christian New Testament. Both books were written by a number of authors over a period of time. The Old Testament was written over several hundred years and the New Testament over a period of a couple of hundred years or so. There were many texts from the Christian era not included in the final version drawn up around the year 400AD. One of those includes the Gospel of Judas (although he wasn't crucified instead of Jesus to the best of my knowledge).

Now to the bit you might find difficult. The Koran, like the Bible developed over a couple of hundred years. Scholars are working on ancient Yemeni texts discovered in an old mosque back in the 1970s. These earliest texts show differences from the current Koran and subtle variations in emphasis. I believe something like 35,000 microfiche copies were made of these early texts and are currently being worked on in both Germany and Yemen.

The only religious text that was handed out in one complete go was the Book of Mormon (and that is completely mental imho)

I suspect that whilst your first paragraph may be acceptable to the vast bulk of right thinking Christians. You second may be unpalatable to most Muslims.

I could of course be wrong in that, it's just my impression.
 
the first words in kuran says :
Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds Most Merciful
after that there is a sora called el bakra which says :
that koran is a book which is no thing false or untrue in it

I know this is a minor point but are there any religious texts from any religion that start "this is a load of pish and most of it is made up" .....with the possible exception of his Nooodley Greatness FSM :shifty:
 
Lol no, she was 6 when they married and they started having sex when she was 9... But really, lol at thinking 9 is any better than 6.
what's your references ?
lol most of those topics written on English aim to disrespect profit Mohamed and make him look bad ! believe me it was 9 when they married 14 when they have sex . and i told you why before in my previous post .

beside you don't know what it was like to live at that time !
girls were buried alive when they where born .. and when Islam come it prohibited such act ..
girls were just sex slaves and Islam prohibited that and only allowed sex with wife ..

profit Mohamed was and is considered the greatest man in all time .. just Google the greatest man of all time !
 
we the muslims love jesus more then Christians , because it is a part of being a muslim ,

I'm going to have to take exception to that, old bean.

Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God and that he forms part of the Holy Trinity which is God. That he came to Earth as a man, suffered and died horribly on the cross and was resurrected from death. He did this willingly. We believe that he fulfilled scripture in doing this, wiped out the sins of man and brought God's new covenant with his people. A "fresh start" if you will. We believer that he is the most important historical or theological figure who will ever live and we should follow him and base our lives on his teachings.

You think he was a messenger, like Moses.

So I'm going to have to suggest that people who follow Christ and believe he was God incarnate have a slightly higher opinion of him than people who think he was one of the prophets.
 
i wont argue with any of u it seems that no one want to understand , the problem that most of u dont believe that islam is the only religion which no one changed a word in , u have the right to say what u want but in my faith which my god says in soraa el tawba : to kill anyone who disbelieve in the existance of god and disbelieve that mohammed is the messenger of god . some day u will know that the islam is the right religion . and when u die u will say : i wish i would be alive again and be a moslem . thats the end i am out
Oh shi ... are you threatening to pop a cap in my black arse
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Ah, so you claim all the western people who took these videos from Muslim channels and newspapers actually forged all of it to gain hatred towards Islam.. Right. As far as I remember, it says in the Quran thingies like if you don't do something, or if you aren't Muslim, you are to be stoned and burned alive and shit like that.

Orsum film, Fitna. Frightening as hell.

u r wrong mate , Islam respects all religions , we the muslims love jesus more then Christians , because it is a part of being a muslim , i can not b a complete muslim if i do not respect and love jesus .
and there is not a single line in quran where it states that all non muslims should b killed .
and the movie u r referring to , is a controversial movie . and good Christian communities around the world have also criticized it as well as muslims .
and plzz use nice words while talking about the jesus , Prophet Muhammad and all messengers /
 
mate .. we believe that God is one . and Jesus is the savior .
the only difference is that you think Jesus was crucified .. we don't think so .. God says in Koran that Jews though that they crucified Jesus but the didn't they crucified someone else that look like Jesus .

I never said what I believed in ... you are missing my point.

Some religeons seem to be convinced they have to go out and convince all other people they are the one true religeon.

Happened with Cristianity too ... that's why they call that era the 'dark ages'.:naughty:
 
I don't believe in a god, and when I'm dead I won't say anything, because I'll be dead.

You are free to believe what you want to believe in, I'm glad you're happy in your faith.

Please accept the fact that I am also happy :happy:
 
For what I said to be "totally wrong" the work on the Yemen documents would have to show an exact match to modern copies. The article and others I have seen suggest otherwise. It may be that the differences are not large. In works on Christian texts the general argument is that the message is not substantially different and therefore variations do not matter. I am reasonably confident that if earlier versions of the Koran are shown to be a little different there will be

1) shock
2) re-appraisal of the new texts
3) a realisation that nothing much has changed
4) Islam will just carry on pretty much as before
5) Some Moslems might go traditional and say they like the older one better.

Doesn't work with absolutes, mate. Even for the open-minded.
 
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