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Has the new BEV system been deployed? If so, is there a noticeable difference? I am looking at moving over (from Cogeco) and wonder about the PQ of the new system....(is it still 780p and soft?)
 
Guys, take a look at my post above.... #142, I tell it like it is! Now having said that, yesterdays PQ on BEV was fantastic, pretty much on all HD channels, even the Vancouver hockey game last night on CBC HD CH #802 was very good.

Like I have said before and others have mentioned , it is hit or miss with Bell.

Paul
 
The Canucks game on CBC HD was decent, I wouldn't say the quality was very good, but decent. I still was able to see motion artifacts in the picture, more of a CBC issue I think then it is a Bell issue because they were easily visible on the SD tv in the house too. Now the Ducks game on TSN HD blew away the quality of the Canucks game on CBC. I didn't notice any artifacts or anything in the TSN broadcast and the picture quality I would say was very good on that broadcast. During intermissions, while watching other shows, the HD quality was the usual. Very soft on the American networks and Idol on CTV HD West was very soft as well. Again as others have said before, for CBC, I think the downconvert to 720p plays into the loss in detail. I can remember watching HNIC and seeing everything so detailed that it was way better then TSN, not anymore.
 
Its definitely from their end, I see it all the time on both of my receivers (9242 & 6141). Right now I'm being patient with the hope things improve. If nothing changes after they finished the upgrades I'm going to start spamming them with phone calls.
 
Guys, take a look at my post above.... #142, I tell it like it is! Now having said that, yesterdays PQ on BEV was fantastic, pretty much on all HD channels, even the Vancouver hockey game last night on CBC HD CH #802 was very good.

Like I have said before and others have mentioned , it is hit or miss with Bell.

Paul

Does this have to do with the 8PSK conversion possibly? Or has that not happened yet.
 
I think some don't realize how "soft" Bell really is until they can compare it to something else side by side. When I'm watching my Bell 9242 I don't notice how soft it is really until I flip over to my Starchoice 530. Then I go whoa:o as Bell looked pretty "good" I thought until I compare the two. A great example is watching Leno or Conan where its really noticeable. I really hope when they start to switch over in April it improves.
 
I'm surprised that I'm going to say this, but last night I was at my brother's place and he has Sasktel max HD, and the picture quality on that was way better and sharper then Bell. Bell really needs to step it up. I'd switch if they offered Centre Ice. Plus they have more HD channels then Bell (Big Ten, CNN, and Speed.)
 
I just noticed yesterday I started getting horizontial stripes moving up and down on the screen on all channels but just on one TV I am finding this really annoying.

I am just wondering what might be causing this?
 
The Leafs/Sens game last week was in SD. I saw the Habs/Bruins game at FS and it looked like it was in HD, but I can't be sure. The Canucks game tonight is in HD--how does it look tonight?
 
I more so see it on NHL games, can't remember seeing it on CFL games and only on TSNHD. But never see this "jumpy" scorebar when set to 1080i, so I only use 1080i. I remember when Bell had channels in 1080i and at the time I had one of those 768p tv's and there was a big difference between 1080i and 720p. I wonder what it would be like on the 1080p set I have now???
 
???

Since Mpeg4 is a much more efficient codec, the benefit is that you can have lower bitrates than mpeg2 without decreasing quality. Presumably bitrates will go down upon mpeg4 conversion.
 
Ok, I'll retract the "down". It still looks like crap when they convert it. And Fox and ABC in 720p natively don't look that great even OTA. 720p just looks soft on any TV I've seen.
 
I know Bell's rate for HD channels of 8-9 mbps is not that good and causes the picture to be less sharp, but also I'm starting to think the poor pq on some channels is also network related. I watched Heroes tonight on NBCHE and the pq of Heroes was not very sharp at all and full of macroblocking. Any type of movement on a darker background showed all types of blocking artifacts. However, any HD commercials that were aired during Heroes looked good, way better then the actual show looked. Kind of weird how that happens. Still hoping there is in increase in pq come Wednesday though. Big Bang Theory and HIMYM looked soft tonight. Other shows have sparkling lines (NHL on TSN Versus feed more so the problem), but could also be an issue of less bandwith unable to process the full detail. I guess we'll se what happens Wednesday. I wish they would tell us which channels will switch when.
 
oh and forgot. Just because 1080 is more lines then 720p doesn't mean its inferior 1080i interlaced 30frames a second. 720progressive 6o frames a second
 
Fast motion of players and the HD cameras will always result in blur no matter how many pixels you have.

24 in HD has been very grainy the last few shows for some reason even with Shaw HD (which is sharper than Bell's HD), so it is not Bell at fault in this case. I don't know if it is because most of the shots are at night, but even inside shots that are well lit are very grainy as well.
 
Hey markb, I also find 1080i to be the choice resolution. I have my 9200 HD PVR set to 1080i, and I did test 720p also but I still prefer 1080i overall.
I am sending this to my 60" kuro which has some of the best de-interlacing out there.
I still have some movies on my PVR from 2 years ago or so and the PQ is stunning, but this was when BEV was sending out 1080i.

Will BEV exec's never see the light ......QUALITY OVER QUANTITY, what do I care if you have reached 100 HD channels (1st ever in Canada) when 1/2 of those channels look like S**T.

Paul

Paul
 
i think the only way you will notice a piture quality improvment is if your using an old 2700/4100 IRD to somthing current. i even notice a little improment from going from a 2700 to a 3100
 
Maybe record the HDNet test patterns that are on Saturday mornings. Then go to the resolution patterns and switch the Bell receiver from 720P to 1080i see if you can see a difference. Even though Bell broadcasts in 720P my sets seem to prefer 1080i as the lines are clear and defined in 1080i, but in 720P as the lines get closer together they kinda "mush" together more.
 
It has been shown (after Bell switched to the new encoders) that (re-)encoding they do is real time, regardless of programming.
Even the same movie shown on PPV for weeks can have completely different bitrate at different times.
Therefore, discussing picture quality only makes sense when discussing the same program at the same time.
 
i have the 6100 receiver and i was just wondering if the picture quality on the newer receivers are better or not.
 
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