OpenSource P2P Debate, it's about choice

Hmmm... I guess I had a couple too many electric popsicles tonight so my thoughts are a bit clouded... So, if I understand you correctly, you're agreeing that ultimately, a person (or company) couldn't take a GPL'ed piece of software available for free (like Gnucleus) and create a derivative work from it and then charge for that derivative work? Ultimately, that's what I'm trying to make sure of.
 
I've pretty well said my piece; and I can tell when a forum is becoming slightly aggressive. And it's not neither my intention nor interest to see it do so. So I'm leaving it here.

Unfortunately, I won't be joining your network. I do thank you for your faithfulness in replying to my posts. Even though my views do not coincide with yours, you've impressed me with your knowledge of the issues.

In the interest of being constructive, I certainly hope that you will consider the views I have put forth; I want Gnutella to work just as much as you do.

-pp
 
afisk, nice PR. abaris you can't even imagine that your clustering, sensible, complicated ultrapeer idea has a selfcreated need for clustering and different concepts would not have to cluster away from other clients (from files!). At the end more of your GDF clients will have to cluster together to create a huge network. At the end you create a two-class Gnutella (GDF cluster vs independent developer); other devloper might decide to use different superpeer concept and cluster away from you too because you did hurt them. Spyware, you like them and tolerate it - have fun with your greedy partners. Inoccent users need more information against your scumare. Vinnie's strange ideas - you make him one of your best friends, enjoy the dislike. Oh and the accusations against Xolox again. Sorry they were never proofen. I doubt even Phex was that unhealthy. I feel the GDF is too much into politics and too less about facts and fairness.

GDF looks like lobbying for me, selfish, self-overrated and sloooow. Bearshare & Limewire are best friends to protect their commercial interests, salted with PR.

Different clients will come (maybe Xolox). We will hear a lot of bitching and inefficient GDF will need another 6 months to make small steps fordward, until they move equal, beautiful tinker. (I'm only sorry about Limewire, they seems to have some nice people, but choosen a greedy aliance with Vinnie)

Let's end wasting time here, Gnutella development needs to be splitted!

GDF lost my interest.
 
O BTW, Moak, you need to read up on the Ultrapeer proposal. I have a feeling you don't understand that there are 3 modes that clients can run in if they have ultrapeer support.
 
OK, you've left already, but just to clear up your confusion, it's called OpenSource P2P Net, not OpenNet.

We didn't say the network was open, we said the clients were open source.

OpenBSD is open source, more so than GPL, but it is ALL about restricting what resources you PC provides, restricting access etc.

The tradition of open source is if anything to put the choice in the users hands, and to let users modify source as they like. That is pretty much what we are doing.

Nos
 
They do have the source code somewhere on their website. - As far as I can tell, they did not bother to make a single change to the core (even the lack of comments is the same as before). But Gnucleus source-code is no fun to read, so I might have overlooked some small but important changes.
 
Another example of blatant greed. This guy took Gnucleus and uses it as a marketing tool for his other $14.95 offers, and those offers look like re-labeled software anyway.
http://music-magnet.com/

So copy this web site, change the name and make a bundle $$$$.
 
Music Magnet looks like a second tier ripoff to me. It almost looks like this guy used the source from the Morpheus Preview Edition which uses the source from Gnucleus. The main interface looks almost exactly like the one from Morpheus.
 
spyware is a lame excuse for people who don't know how to run a proper business, which includes proper marketing, advertising and sales.
these companies sluff that off on to other companies and wonder why they have to get more and more agressive in order to support BOTH companies.
spyware sucks, it doesn't matter if they tell you or not.
and greed will always corrupt them so you can't trust them with your computer.
 
Good luck.

I see you deny the lies of the past and don't move a bit. As I described in my post on the first page, there's no possibility of cooperation with that politics, for me. I share my knowledge at some fair places. So long, Moak

PS: thx for some superpeer basics for our readers, but you didn't really explain why clustering improves a supperpeer concept, clustering is only a selfish action.
 
Okay, before this is getting more a GDF praise singing... *yawn* I'll say good luck with your valuable partner Bearshare. At least you lost me and I'll spend my time in more interesting projects, I described my point and dissapointment about current Gnutella development.

So long, Moak
 
The limewire URL is b0rked and you just get Zeropaid's front page or something like it.
Here is a description of the beast, but someone please post the Zeropaid URL - I would be interested to read it.

Evil US bill to undermine privacy and protect spyware

Bearshare now has CyDoor spyware (surprised to think it didn't)

Thanks Adam 'that's all there is, honest' Fisk
Joey, where's them dogs?

Nos
 
So I can download the most recent, complete, up to date, no adware "pay for" version of LimeWire somewhere on your site? Where? Did I miss the link?
Or are you selectivly using GPL on parts of the code?
Didn't Morpheus basicly do this? Grab Gnucleus and then "charge" for it through adware? Did anyone get upset and call the FSF over that? Should we?
Anyone have a good link explaining this GPL profit motive in plain english?
 
has it? dont think so, sometimes it hurts to see the uncomfortable truth?

First, Do No Harm - A Hippocratic Oath for Coders?
Add a second rule: do not fool users. With the increase in spyware, spam, etc, is it time for a Hippocratic Oath for Programmers? Should programmers be able to refuse to write code that harms the public more than it helps?

With some kind of Hippocratic oath, coders like Vinnie and Afisk need to quit their jobs? This is the classic dilema with all technology, which can be used equally to promote good as well as well as evil. Read the story on Slashdot: http://slashdot.org/askslashdot/02/05/06/1545202.shtml?tid=99

And with an improved ethics http://www.acm.org/serving/se/code.htm...
some noble Gnutella developers would be kicked into their buts.

Big respect to ungreedy open source developers!
 
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