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Todd K

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What could I write
that would be published in a textbook?
I am not a woman
I have no fresh feminist critique of the domestic cooking and cleaning machine
I am not hispanic
I have no flavorful ethnic worRAB to spice up my disaffected verse
I am not black
I have no rags to nouveau riche story to tell, no distinctive speech patterns to overcome

I could write about
page after page of syndicated, embittered underdogs
Poetry strangled by affirmative action
About
the oppression, the suppression
of transcendence, of beauty
metaphysical laments replaced with
postmodern advocacy

I could write about all that
But then I'd be a racist
a gringo
a honkey
a chauvinist

O! Where are you, Whitman, Rilke, Dickinson?
Where is your sweet rapture?
Where can I find the soul projected to a page?
 
I can't get over how many times you use I. Although it's needed for you to make your point.

It's sad that you perpetuate the racism by pointing out we are all "racist". There are many many people who accept all equally. The issue of equality is much deeper then the "people" and lies within our governemnt. Sexism is still a deeper issue then we would like to admit.

Fact is you can help speak for women, blacks, gays, South Americans, and anyone if you listen enough. Everyone has something to teach us. Even you Kit.... even you have things to teach me.

LOL

I think you need to broaden your horizon.

I am sure you could care less what I think.
 
ummm your stating you aren't in any textbooks because you are not black, a women, or a hispanic. You basically say textbooks are racist "and or anyone who learns from them is" and then go on to list poets who have published works. Someone who is well rounded reaRAB everything and chooses what he or she neeRAB from thos works. Heck poems are textbooks in a way.

Tell me how I missed the point. Point is..your logic is flawed and repulsively racist.
 
i said in the poem that people would interpret it as racist. perhaps to hint that its not and you should look deeper into it?

the problem is that textbooks are racist (as is all of academia really). the point of the poem is that there are other things to write about other than themes derived from your ethnic heritage, themes that have universal appeal. the poets i listed are very introspective, personal, and beautiful.

its repulsive to identify yourself by your cultural heritage or ethnicity. that is not one's identity, but a culturally constructed set of mores. dickinson didnt write about being a woman, rilke didnt write about being a german. they were able to transcend all of that meaningless gibberish and write things that struck to the core of all human beings, no matter their ethnicity. ethnic poems are limiting, they are deeply meaningful only to people who belong to that group, or people interested in that group. others may be able to get a glimpse from that person's perspective if the poem is written well enough. usually they are not.
 
Great point sir. Ethnic poems reall only do connect with the ethnicity. You push away most of the audience by the vocabulary you use. First rule in persuasion is to not ALIENATE your audience.

I can write an amazing book, but if it pushes away most of my audience it wont be well recieved. I will admit statistically the audience on this board is not only educated but has access to a computer. Our audience is quite skewed on this one.
 
i dont give a fuck about the audience, about being misinterpreted or alienating anyone. in fact, if i am alienating people, good. at least it gets them to think. who cares about reception? since when is that an indicator of quality? i dont write for an audience, i write for myself.
 
spoonful you are seriously one of the most derivative characters on these forums everything you say can be taken from like a fucking dark comedian of the 90s or like a fucking independent movie or a fucking outcast-oriented book

much of the most beautiful art is focused on its sentimentality, and "pretentious" is a mostly meaningless critique for people who are frustrated with their own sense of inadequacy
 
once again kistch you're being a big douche arguing with people. if you don't want crit why post a poem here? or at least when you're disagreeing with people take a less douchy arrogant tone fag.

as for your poem i think its self-reflexivity has already been played out by now and your poem is grossly sentimental and pretentious like srsly heres a fucking tissue you whiny bastard.



i write for myself

and post the results on forums


im not trolling you ur just really a douche bro
 
you obviously have no real sense for beauty
you are obviously dysfunctional

i mean you are constantly posting these grotesque and morbid mspaint pictures of people shitting on each other or mutilated dicks etc etc that are not funny nor pleasant not meaningful nor anything but shocking
 
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