Olympic torch through London et al

you're changing your arguement from thugs to laws now? bad choice, :lol: ok...all the protesters were released without charge, i clearly saw police and protesters both getting hurt in scuffles, it would be six of one and half a dozen of the other if it made it to court, which it wouldn't, that would probably just bring even more extremely bad publicity, sorry.
 
Squeamous said:
I'm not even sure what the actions of one person have to do with the validity of the protest as a whole anyway, even if that person were behaving badly, which he wasn't.

Theoretically the torch belongs to all mankind anyway :shifty:.
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Really! You think assaulting some one isn't behaving badly ? WOW :blink:
And of course it was the same man who Alien5 saw getting injured repeatedly in 'scuffles' with the police wasn't it ? He must be some kind of thicko to repeatedly get himself injured in lots of different scuffles eh ?
 
manicgeek said:
WOW shit that must have cost them a bob or two, paying off EVERY western journalist... I mean we do have a lot of journalists... and they paid off every one of them did they ?

No I'm not asking what your position on UFOs is!

Oooo caught your edit again... yeah it's a shame the Western news isn't reporting anything about it though... maybe they've been distracted by the thugs attacking the Olympic torch ?
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western news isn't reporting what?
 
Hold the phones... I thought you'd watched hours of coverage... do you really know what went on... how can you make claims like this


and follow that with this
Alien5 said:
i clearly saw police and protesters both getting hurt in scuffles
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Now come on make your mind up which was it thuggery or non-violent... and how did those people you see get hurt in a non-violent protest... heat exhaustion was it ?

What was it you were saying about lame arguments again... :whistling
 
Olympic Street Wrestling.

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Squeamous said:
No, I fully exploited the opportunity to make fun of the fact that you think you saw a woman attacked in the street with my 'Ghandi' comment. I miss a lot of things but that kind of opportunity is too easy to miss. I'm surprised you missed it.

Did you know that every day women are attacked on the streets of your country, in actual real life...I mean not in your head. I'm sure any one of those would look upon your insistance that Konnie Huq was attacked with a measure of disbelief.
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I'm sure the nutters in our society will take great heart from your willingness to dismiss a man assaulting a woman on the streets of Britain, and may all women feel safe in the knowledge that when someone assaults them and takes or attempts to take something from them they can always say well some woman was attacked in a worse way than me, so it's alright for me to be attacked like this can't they ? :rolleyes:
 
if you had read or watched the news you would know there were both scuffles and non-violent protests. the protests were going on at different places along the route and at different times. :slap:

have you seen anything other that a "thug" grabbing the torch mate? please read and watch the news reports, you're making a fool of yourself now.


the "thug" you keep going on and on about was one man on his own, standing in one place at one time of the day. :lol:

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Alien5 said:
exactly - i grew up in 70s 80's and 90's London, I also went to school with people affected by some of the riots, there was nothing perfect & thug free about it.
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Oh! I see... you're agreeing with me that jumping on people in the street and taking something from them (or attempting to) is thuggish behaviour then ?
 
I know.
Squeamous said:
The tipping point has already been reached. The Chinese can't run their economy without trade. They know however, that their partners are unlikely to take that way because in the end greed is too powerful. There is very little that is so important it will get in the way of profit. The economies of the countries that trade with China rely on it as well as China's, and any government is going to be worried about the effect reducing trade has on itself. The more trade we do the farther bogged down we get and the less likely it is that anything willl happen with Tibet.
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The money that has been generated in the growing economy of China is still limited to the effects it has had on the vast majority of the population, that will change over the coming years. Of course those who have benefited from the money so far have no reason to challenge the existing regime, fear alone will stop that. There are no where near enough people who have benefited yet... but there will be. Yes trade sanctions are hard on both sides of the coin, but that doesn't mean they don't happen, the entire premise of trade sanctions is that it is one country who has sanctions imposed upon them by many countries, thereby lessening the impact upon the economies of the many.

Squeamous said:
As to the issue of wealth, I'm not sure the Tibetan people would sacrifice their way of life for cash. If you made them financially comfortable they would still be an oppressed people. And you haven't proposed a way for them to gain independance once they're comfortable.....you just say it will 'leave them in a better position for independence'. Do you think one day China will just change its mind randomly? How long will that take? Will Tibet have lost all it's indivuality by then?
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Do you think they've lost their individuality in the last 50+ years ? So why do you think they will in the future ? Their independence cannot just be gained... for them to get it lots of things have to happen inside of China, and those changes can only happen once the Chinese political system reaches critical mass, they have to become dependent on trade, they have to have gained a sense of international security from threats, they have to have improved the lives of the people to the extent that the people come to expect certain things from the state and become agitators and descentors when a threat exists to that.

There are two ways to kill Communism, one is to cause it's economy to fail at which point the people will kill it, the other is to cause it's economy to boom, at which point the people will start to perceive it's limitations as a threat to what they want... I'm discounting nukes as I'm sure you'll not consider that a valid way to make communism fail.
Squeamous said:
Regarding exiled Tibetans, what stops them going back isn't poverty. It's the risk of torture. These people are political agitators and China deals with those ruthlessly. Money isn't going to change that.
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It will if Tibet gained it's independence and turned into a poor country with no prospects... people will return if they think there is something to return too... if all their return would bring is poverty they'll stay where they are.

Anyway got to go.
 
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