Olympic torch through London et al

apparently Hitler invented the idea of the Olympic flame so it must be evil (since he was created by the devil). These noble protesters are indeed doing gods work, or are they Buddhists ?
 
Squeamous said:
:lol:

Well you know, those goons surrounding her were Chinese secret police, and they did spend all day pushing around the organisers and met police, so that protestor never stood a chance.

I wonder how MG feels about these people walking our streets?
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Oh! You know full well that I would have your friendly thug strung up from the nearest lamppost....
 
Biggles said:
We could do that although the claim does not look desperately strong on paper. It seems to be based on the fact that the Mongols conquered both Tibet and China in the 13th century and that the Chinese see themselves as successors to that Empire. Prior to that Tibet was pretty much separate - in fact in the 7th to 9th centuries bits of Western China were subject to the Tibetan Empire.
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Trouble is, in the first half of the last century Tibet was functioning as a separate state only in name because I didn't go through the official route to independence. It just declared itself so while there was a power vacuum in China and they got kind of forgotten in the mayhem. China has a pretty strong claim on Tibet, as strong as any. Tibet was conquered and became part of China and has a long long history of such. Even the international community recognises Chinese rule and not the exiled Tibetan government. China also has some claims to have improved the lives of the people in Tibet from what it was before they took it back.

Still, I'm not sure anyone has a right to take a country over just because they think they can do a better job of running it than the indigenous population :dry:.

I can't see Tibetan independence being the immediate goal. They must be allowed religious and cultural freedom though. The current method of control of those things coupled with restriction of movement of people and the building of rail and infrastructure to faciliate movement remind me of something.....
 
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