*OFFICIAL THREAD: Nokia N97

Or if I value a QWERTY keyboard more than OLED and 24 more GB over 8mp? I thought you were talking about $200 here.... Let's leave the $500 off the table. My first preorder was for $770 shipped while your're getting your OmniaHD for $769. Yes, 24 more GB and a QWERTY is worth more than a $1, 3mp, and OLED to me.

I will be most interested in your review on how the OmniaHD's battery life holds up. I may envy your 3mp and face detection for a time but will compensate with my happiness with the physical keyboard and storage
 
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So now I need to accept a regression in functionality now whereas before I had that info on my home screen now I need to assign my e-mail to the shortcuts bar? Do you not get that e-mail is pretty much the prime function of a mobile device today? Which is how RIM basically built up their entire platform starting with making e-mail impeccable. At least for me it is and for most smartphone owners.

So if you say so sir I'll take a regression in functionality in my new $700 device over my $300 E66. Just a brilliant solution. Have you applied for a job at Nokia?


After having told me to put my e-mail in the shortcut bar you then proceed to tell me that very same shortcut bar is expendable.

So now you have an idea about profile switching and available widgets or available items on the shortcut bar. I actually agree with this idea BUT WHERE THE **** IS IT IMPLEMENTED ON THIS? You see there are many solutions to the 5 widget problem, but NONE are being implemented. So you see what this dilemma stems from?


Entitlement? Are you serious? If I paid $700 for this, I should just bend over and take whatever crap I get? Yours is the entitlement attitude of the typical Nokia fanboy. Basically that I am lucky to live on the same planet where this device exists.


Obviously you can put on 5 widgets of your choosing, thanks for pointing that out genius. But how much old/core functionality must you then sacrifice to get all 5 new widgets on a screen? Even still if you had no use for e-mail (in this day and age what idiot wouldn't) and no use for a calendar and no use for shortcuts because you resigned yourself to going into the menu each time, and no use for contacts because again you think going into the menu is great for the MOST USED FUNCTION OF A PHONE, then you have 5 widgets available to you from a library purported to be hundreds if not thousands one day. So all this promise of a widget interface being the result of 3 years of development at Nokia amounts to: 5 WIDGETS? AT BEST? THAT'S IF YOU SACRIFICE A BOAT LOAD OF FUNCTIONALITY IN THE PROCESS?

Wow buddy you have exceptionally low standards.

So you think there is some voodoo behind the software/hardware requirements of having more than FIVE GLORIFIED NOTIFICATIONS running on the device at once (and that is assuming all are web based constantly updating notifications - which they won't be - maybe 2 or 3 will be) that I don't understand?

Bro, if you gave a monkey 3 years to build on the S60 platform that already has demand paging and the established ability to run over 10+ full blown applications at once each of them sharing data simultaneously and did not limit what hardware choices you had for 3 whole years it would be better than this. They did not have to limit themselves in any way, shape or form if the hardware to run maybe 8-10 widgets needed to be better. No on the other hand they said the old POS platform from 3 years ago they will be using is "sufficient" to do what they want this phone to do.

Why if hardware was an issue in making a bigger splash than 5 ****ing widgets, at best, did they not put 256MB RAM or OMAP 3 or even a faster ARM11? Nobody stopped them from putting better hardware in there. This is all assuming hardware is even the issue, because I have run over 10 applications simultaneously on my S60 I know it works. So I doubt hardware is a factor, and if it were 3 years old hardware didn't do them any favors.

Next you will probably talk about battery. It's very simple you have a phone. If you talk on it for 5 hours it will die. The user makes that choice about how to utilize the battery life they are given. So if I want push e-mail and that shortens my battery life I make that choice. If I want 10 different notifications pushed to me at once, give me a warning about battery life and be done with it. That is my choice to have 10 active notification running at once.

The real issue is lack of space and an alternate screen no matter what direction the swipe is (that wasn't the point of my post whether it is better left, right, up or down) allowing widgets would allow for more space. So even if on battery life grounds they wanted to limit "active" notifications to 5 we could still use the extra space for things like contacts, shortcuts, music player etc.

Also, Einstein, obviously the software can grow but have you seen Nokia's history in "growing" their software? What excuse is there that in 3 years of development this is in such an unfinished state their unrelenting fanboys will argue that there is MORE time for this to get finished? I mean what you think I should another 2 years for FW that introduces space for more widgets? Or that I should wait 2 more years and then pay $700 again to have more than 5 widgets? Which year, Nostradamus, is the call log getting fixed? Or when the music player supports ratings? Or when the e-mail shows the date and time? Or when I can see the contact name with company name without scrolling? Or view my SMSes in relation to other SMSes from the same person? Of course software can grow. But is it growing?

That same hardware feature has a market clearing price of $300 by Nokia's own pricing. Except for the 32GB built in. Which is guess is worth $20 over 16Gb today.

You are a bonfide Nokia Fanboy. You just made an argument that Nokia loves to hear from its boys: "Well this one has removable storage and a smaller screen, but that one has fixed storage and a bigger screen, but I really want removable storage and a bigger screen so I guess if I'm a good boy Finnish Santa Claus will bring me both in the same phone one day! Yippee!"
 
Im officially stuck now. No exchange 2003 HTML support on the N97 and buggy firmware.

iPhone no 5MP with flash and MMS at the end of summer.

Cant pick...man this sucks.
 
Is that a MING A1200 Hello Kitty edition? LOL. I'm looking at the phone trying to figure out the manufacturer and it screams Motorola to me for some reason
 
I'm a bit bummed that the two homescreens are technically just one, as the second one is completely blank.

In some ways it shouldn't matter as I don't think there are enough good widgets right now (even with the widget contest) to fill two screens but I would like the option to have multiple e-mail widgets on one screen (i.e. show more than just 2 inboxes). As well, I wonder if with the Nokia widgets we can replicate the standard Active Standby screen (which was is much more useful to me on a day to day basis).


I've never owned an N Series phone, but I hope the email capabilities are as good, if not better than my E71.

The UI/OS is looking more polished than the 5800, though that isn't saying much as the 5800 is as big a cluster**** implementation of Touch UI as possible.
 
I saw the video again, and it seemed like tnkgirl didnt know how to use her 5800 properly, as she kept on asking "Is this on 5800 as well?"

But the guy knew the phone inside out, so that's good.
 
Yeah considering they still haven't put the phone into final production hopefully it gets better.

That did look like it was ahead of any of the prototypes we've seen though as far as the interface. First time we've seen multitasking actually happening too. We're getting closer :)
 
They wanna use what they have until they have fully 100% exploited it... In their mind, that ARM processor still has some use to it, so they'll still continue to use it.
 
the consensus of this forum is as follows:

As long as nokia models sports a resistive touch screen, resistive is better.

When nokia introduces a model with a capacitive touch screen (with a useless feature name such as "true touch"), you will see certain posters on this board proclaim this feature as a revolution to touchscreen technologies.

other than that some will dodge the question.

P.S i actually own a motorola aura :buddies: (it was cheaper than what i paid for my first razr).
 
I would be as skeptical as you but I called em yesterday and they seemed to be speaking truthfully. I'd imagine it's easier for a small retailer to receive an order of 5-10 N97s than SN Traders to get 100 at once when they first begin shipping.
 
As informative and knowledgable your rants are, I would like to let you know that your post filled my entire 1920x1080 monitor. Please never do that again. :lolup:
 
The 'A' word? Adulthood? :silly:

Another gamer here, though in my 30's. Was giddy when I heard about UAE being ported to S60, had to run Turrican II on my E71. Right now mostly playing Peggle and Frozen Bubble (finished Doom and went through most of CastleWolfenstein on my E61i before that).

But having a D-pad separated the way it is on the N97 versus having it stuck between the shortcut keys like on the E71 will make it easier in my opinion :2thumbs:
 
Well I think the purpose of widgets is so that you don't have to go through all the finger pressing and menus etc. to get to just some basic information which you are always accessing on the internet anyways.
For me I think it is a battery saver concept. There are a few things that i always check when i go on the internet and usually it is going to take more battery juice getting there the usual way than having a widget do it.

I'm sure the polling interval will be user adjustable so I'm my opinion I think you guys worrying about the battery dieing because of the widgets are worrying for nothing.

Actually I think it is a leap forward in mobile devices theory not that Nokia is the first to do it but it seems that they sure are opening up the idea of many many different types of widgets. Different strokes for different folks.

Example, every break time or lunch at work I am for sure going to check about 5 to 10 websites just to find out what is going on. Lets say myspace (for friend updates), greencarcongress, quicksilverscreen (movies and tv shows), hulu, symbian freak, Red ferret.net and engadget, and probably now Ovi store and the weather forecast since i ride a bike (and the train) and soon will ride an electric bike i'll need to know if it will rain.

If i can set the widgets to quickly just get the newest data from each of these websites every two hours or you know some like red ferret every 6 hours myspace every 4 hours, etc., etc. then that saves me battery because I don't have to go through all the manual motions on the UI.
I think this is a leap forward concept in the same way that we are now getting in to the gigabytes of RAM for always on multitasking with desktop pc's because when you carry around a phone as smart as this with equipment like this it really becomes a social multitasking buddy which although we would like to see more ram in it and rightly so it is not a high ram demand device as much as a desktop.

Since you are on the go and have other things to do you are not going to be playing high ram demanding games e.g. W.O.W while talking on skype while printing a document and dowloading a movie and receving a fax.

The social multitasking activities are less ram demanding like taking a picture, Knowing if your train is coming, is your friend going to be on time where is he now, whats the latest news, etc.. it's more about being connected to multiple data streams simultaneously not performing many computer tasks simultaneously.

So
desktop = mutlitasking
smartphone = multisocial connecting and updating

We probably need a new phrase for this.
Hmmm multiconnecting? socialwebbing? social framing? socialtasking?
I think it is socialtasking. That should be the new term for what smartphones do.

I think if Nokia would just use their big coprporation influence to negotiate with M2epower.com to make Nokia phone batteries as their first priority after their military obligations then Nokia would just kill the whole smartphone market because who wouldn't want a phone that is always being charged while you are walking around.

If they can't do that because of different Nokia battery sizes then why can't they just get M2epower.com to make some kind of portable charger that fits in your pocket which easily connects and disconnects from your Nokia phone that always charges it while you are walking regardless of your battery model. Some kind of clothing accessory. Surely they could pay a desginer to make something creative that you can wear that will easily fit every nokia phone charging port.
Let me ask you guys this.

If you had a choice/s between some high specd device in certain categories from other manfacturers like the SSHD that really wow'd you and the Nokia N97 except they offered you a device that you could wear on your wrist or arm or pocket that kept the N97 always charged which would you pick?
I think the vast majority would go with the N97.
 
Neither Sony Ericsson nor Samsung have managed to make a camera that takes better pictures than an N95, in spite of their 8 megapixel offerings. While no one has seen pictures taken with a production model N97 (i believe), I think its a safe bet to say that the picture quality will be on par with the N95 (at least I hope). Also, saying 5 megapixel cameras are everywhere and sub-standard is preposterous. Just because 5 megapixel cameras are PERCEIVED as ubiquitous doesn't mean they are. Just because a bunch of nerd on the internet will only carry around phones with 45 megapixel cameras doesn't mean they are anywhere near ubiquitous. 5 megapixel camera phones are NOT everywhere. Stop fooling yourselves.

Also, why would anyone buy the N86 if the N97 had an 8 megapixel camera or higher? Obviously no one would. There are other things to worry about with this phone than the camera. If it's anything like the N95 camera, I'm sure everyone will be happy.
 
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