*OFFICIAL THREAD: Nokia N97

Stop bragging. LOL Just kidding! Don't get robbed, I remember I stood in line for 12 hours for Ps3 and a guy almost got robbed in the parking lot, thanks to Bestbuy security guards.
 
Even tho I pre ordered the 97...my mind can easily change when the 3rd gen Iphone is released a couple weeks earlier (as projected) than the 97. As Topy mentions, the 97 may be something just thrown out there as the final S60 product
 
Right. The Omnia could work if it wasn't missing the AT&T 3G. The lack of QWERTY would also be a dealbreaker for me. In it's benefit is a far superior camera with bells and whistles to be expected of a flagship model (what I would have hoped the N97 would have had).

If my main three features desired are:

1) 3G
2) QWERTY
3) Good cam

It's far less of a compromise to accept N97 with only a decent cam and get 2 of the 3 than it is to give up the other 2 for the third.
 
Never!!! lol, My K850i is da bomb s#!t. Of course it was buggy as hell at release but most of you don't know (or don't care by now), SE has released a bunch of upgrades, and now, it's perfectly stable, never crashes, rarely lags. The camera is still amazing, a lot better than N95. I don't get how you people don't give respect where respect is due. The (true) CyberShot phones are incomparable in picture quality than any other phone. There's only THREE true CyberShot, the K790a (which was da s#!t), then K850i (bomb s#!t), and the C905 (which i didn't get to play...). But I would never sell my current K850, I wouldn't even exchange it for the N97, lol, it has emotional value now, loll. We've been thru good times and bad times, it actually saved my life, and it actually almost got me killed, lol. And with 16GB of memory, it has my life documented in it :)
 
Last night I was fumbling with the wired headset in the dark with only the illumination of the TV to guide me but it seemed like it didn't fit or that I wasn't pushing it in all the way. I gave up after 15 seconds and went to bed LOL
 
Well from using the SDK, there is a widget that is 4 shortcuts to almost any application or function of your choosing. You can have 2 of these on your home screen so you don't need 1 widget just for apps. Time and date is 1 widget but they are split, I always assumed that the date half would show appointments or at least a notifier to show you have appointments that day that you could see by tapping it.
 
^^^ Yes it will push maybe wi-fi scan off the screen. The net result being that I can still see more on my 2.4" screen than on this single widget screen.

The second screen has no option for AS so it has to be marketed as a privacy screen or a blank screen (which isn't very marketable).

I have been using the iPhone for about a week so I am aware that there are NO indicators whatsoever. However, there is intelliscreen which I will buy if the 3rd generation hardware meets my needs. The lack of a native standby screen is a problem but again if you look at it from the perspective of privacy it doesn't show anything until after you click into the app.

I could write a page of the shortcomings of the iPhone as well. But at the least I've seen so much development over the past 2.5 years that I could easily bet on it over Nokia S60. Yes there is currently no multitasking and I don't like that one bit. But this summer when it gets multitasking I can see it coming of age. So until then it is a compromise as all platforms tend to be, but in June when it does support multitasking that removes a major barrier to its adoption.

What it was is kind of water under the bridge at this point. I also railed on that device in the past basically in relation to how it was deemed THE smartphone when it really isn't. However, I've seen the improvements they have made and this year it will have a lot to offer.

It still is slow and that is the reason I want multitasking so I can switch over to other applications quickly. It currently is stupid in that certain things don't even start loading until after you've started the application in question.

Really the point I am trying to make is that in 3 years since the N95 the only prgress I have seen all boils down to this widget system that you can only really have one open at any given time if you wish to have e-mail, appointments, shortcuts, and contacts up. I guess I could have TWO up if I remove contacts. So for 3 years of development I get TWO widgets?

If it were thought out for about 5 seconds they would have allowed more. After all this is the showcase of 3 years of Nokia software development. This is what they have asked us to wait for all these months.

Again what was in the past for the iPhone is water under the bridge. When they do implement something it is done impeccably. They may not even bring a standby screen this year and that is a sacrifice everyone who chooses that platform will have to make. But they bring in other things that in my daily use make for for those lacks. If you look at improvement in mobile platforms these days Apple is moving faster, Android is still behind but moving faster, WinMo has issues it needs to sort out but they are working. S60 is sitting still. The sum total of 3 years of software development is TWO widgets of my choosing on the home screen. They were the leader and were poised to be the leader until they showed us what little 3 years of waiting brought us. So what are my expectations for S60 Symbian Foundation in the next years? Very little.

What are my expectations for Android, WinMo, and iPhone OS for the next 3 years? I think they will all leave S60 in the dust. That is my fundamental point.

Nokia had a fighting chance with these Widgets because they have many things the competition still doesn't have and with these Widgets the product could have appealed to a good number of people to at least keep the attrition levels lower than they otherwise would be. However you really only get TWO widgets? What a waste of an otherwise good idea.

You haven't seen iPhone OS 3.0, but some of the things I have seen help me on a daily basis. Search is vital on a "multimedia computer" and they don't even bill the device that way. I find myself daily in situations where I need to pull out an e-mail and show an administrator a new policy that just went out over the past week or month or so that they still are not aware of. In seconds I can locate and show that e-mail. On S60 it would take 3-4 minutes and I still wouldn't have access to e-mail more than 30 days old. With Roadsync even I wouldn't have access to anything that was archived or not in my current inbox. This helps me on a daily basis more than all the wizbang tech wizardry of S60 put together. A modern device needs instant search. THAT should have been a focus for Nokia to stay on top. They knew it had to be done so in fact they were first years ago to do it. But it never improved after all these years it is the same old slow POS it was 3 years ago. With no acknowledgment that it needs improvement or that they are working on it. As long as it is there on a spec sheet - that's all they care about. And Nokia fanboys will read out the spec sheet never having even used the function in question. Never knowing how worthless that feature really is beyond being a salvo in an argument.

Finding contacts is slower on it than the E66, but not by much. So in a sense it also brings contact search albeit slower than the E66. Since the N97 doesn't have that it is not a very useful device to me nonetheless. Even a simple but slower search would make it acceptable.

Nokia could have made common areas of the UI right from scratch while maintaining application compatibility. They could have had a new interface and a compatibility interface for older apps. Even with this approach they don't have exactly the best backwards compatibility - if that is the excuse for lazing out with this interface.

I didn't post anything about the Widgets platform in relation to anything the iPhone has but rather about BASIC decisions taken by the Nokia team in relation to their own platform. Given what they started with, which was the class leading mobile OS 3 years ago, what we have today is just terrible. The same problems, and sacrifices we've had for 3 years and relief on that front with a half thought out Widget interface. You cannot argue that TWO widgets is not sufficient to show off 3 years work. In that time there were no improvements to:

Auto correct
PIM
Call Log
Music Player
VPN
VOIP
WPA2 connectivity
Threaded SMS
E-mail (okay now with Nokia messaging there is but it not reliable and ties me into a service)
Camera application

So yes using the iPhone ties me into the Apple sync thing, and I can't download my own music. I do know that. But as much as I hate iTunes it is better than the 500MB crap that Nokia PC Suite is.

At least it backs up all my apps and data and lets me have seamless upgrades. I update my OS in 5 minutes and I'm out the door with no issues. So while I feel that I did sell my soul to use the device, at least it does make things easier. The way Nokia is headed you will have to sell your soul to Nokia (which all the Nokia fans think is a lesser evil than Apple or Google - not true, open your eyes) and you won't even get the quality of service you will get from Apple or Google. There is no argument here, this has been borne out year after year with Nokia services, software and support. I can't even get a software license for N-gage transferred over. Or any even my Nokia Maps navigation and guides. I called the Nokia support number and they basically told me to **** myself in nicer words.

So again if I have to sell my soul to get a proper mobile platform (and they ALL are making you do this now) I'd rather it be a company that offers some value for it. Apple needs to anonymously read your music data to offer you Genius music suggestion. You know what? I wanted to try such a nice novel service. So I sold my soul there again but it is something that has no competition beyond MusicIP which works on Linux, Windows and Mac OS.

So while I use Apple as an example I could just as well talk about Android but since there are no devices for AT&T bands yet I haven't gotten my hands on one yet. All the reports say they started late and are not yet finished, but mark my words they will leave Nokia in the dust when it comes to high end product it may be next year but it will happen.

In the meantime I've been using S60 and it has fit my needs with certain sacrifices as well. Each platform comes with its own set. But right now, S60v5 brings all the downsides of a buttonless touch screen phone with NOT ONE intelligent solution to overcome that. With the iPhone I see with each new beta different ways to overcome the lack of buttons. Different solutions that require you to touch the device less, to type less, to just do certain important things faster. There really are no easy ways to make a buttonless device do certain things faster than a device with buttons but it really comes down to offering clever solutions to mitigate those problems. Nokia has offered none. And when that monkey talks about kinetic scrolling like he ****ing invented it I find the whole situation a laughable joke. We've seen it and had it 2.5 years ago. What is this idiot going on about? This is coming from the company that promised us advanced haptics and a dual key/touch interface system.

They chose to go the iPhone copying route by choosing the exact same form factor for their platform (no buttons) and the device ultimately cannot make up for the sacrifices one has to make when eschewing buttons. It does not even hold a candle to other devices of the kind. While this joker brags about kinetic scrolling the Apple people are getting copy and paste that works EVERYWHERE. It even has a little box that pops up and zooms the area for easier selection of the start and end points of your selection. That LEAPFROGS Nokia, even if it was late.

So you can keep talking about MMS and the lack thereof as if I don't know already, but what's passed has passed, I'm talking about 2009 and what is going to the be best in touch screen devices. If Nokia had any idea of its capabilities vis a vis Apple they would have done what Google did and mandate some buttons for their devices. But they went ahead and bit off more than they can chew by going exactly for the Apple form factor and botching it up. Google was smart enough to know they could never come up with an interface to compete. Nokia was clueless in its expectations and came up with what really is a crap interface. The basic interaction between user and the device is retarded. You can see it all those videos with all those inconsistencies in trying to get the device to react in the way you want it to react. Even that idiot Julien can't get it to react predictably.

What was going to make up for such a ****** interaction interface was these Widgets. They were going to save the day and now I find out there is space for TWO of them? Weren't they bragging about having thousands available at launch? What was the point now?

So not only do they have an interface that currently (might be fixed in 3-4 years) operates like **** compared to the iPhone, the main USP of this device which we hoped would mitigate the poor interface is now reduced to TWO ****ing widgets.

I'll tell you why they did it the way they did: they are lazy worthless ****s.

Unless you can come up with a better reason (and don't give me the amateur excuse of battery life, processor getting overloaded) the S60 platform has multitasking and demand paging and they put in a more power efficient slow *** processor and a big battery. So those would not be valid explanations.

If I had to guess they spent 3 years getting this "right" and at some point they had to freeze the feature set so they then spend the rest of their time getting all this to run somewhat decently before launch.

If this device is coming out in June or July don't you think they need to start manufacturing them NOW? So shouldn't there be a final prototype out there? Why is it that every demo I've seen is incomplete or there is something that they say isn't yet functional or that every time they only show the browser and the widget screen and that's it? Even then it doesn't seem as polished as it should be.

As for the iPhone, at least as a touch device it is consistent and it works. The things it is missing are coming this year. In fact June 8 is the day people are talking about. As for WinMo and Android and they will have Nokia making $200 music toys by this time next year. Those two don't have the hardware expertise of Nokia, but Samsung can surely come in and give us some great devices. As for Palm, I'll probably like it better than the iPhone 3.0 because it will have all the notification/info screens I want while multitasking while giving me a landscape QWERTY keyboard while also giving me a touch interface not designed by amateurs (S60v5 - just look at that clown Julien playing with the swipe interface like he reinvented the wheel - the caption should say: "look mommy see what I figured out and it only took me 3 years"). Where does all this leave Nokia - in the dust. The whole premise of this N-series touch is TWO ****ING WIDGETS on your home screen what a shtick.
 
I wear my shorts baggy, too, typically with lots of pockets, but would generally prefer the idea with a belt loop/clip. One of my friends has a wallet like that for his iPod classic, which he always did in the front pocket, but he dropped it when he went iPhone (which is also in his pocket).
 
Yes I did give them a phone number, No call. Maybe they were getting around to it. Either way, if anyone has not received a call from Nokia, it's best to call them just to make sure everything runs smoothly.
 
Wow, you just made me have a flashback. That's the same argument I used when I bought the N95 for $800 back in the day. At the time, 8gb MP3 players were around $200, as were 5mp standalone cameras (on their way out), and decent standalone GPS's.
 
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