*OFFICIAL THREAD: Nokia E71
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xtaurus33x
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Oh and another thing, I thought this was supposed to have threaded SMS. I dont see it at all and thats another thing I miss from my Curve. Damn, I really wanted to like this phone...
The Dharmatist
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i too am becoming impatient waiting for this and its hard to keep the blinders on with so many options becoming available
i know its not the e90 forum but does anyone know when the new black version will be going on sale?
i know its not the e90 forum but does anyone know when the new black version will be going on sale?
bootcutboy
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I don't know if anyone had mentioned this before, but I figured it wouldn't hurt to post.
This tip involves locking the qwerty keypad. Once you're on the E71 home screen, you can press the left soft key once and then quickly press the function key on the lower left corner of the qwerty. I believe there is a 1 to 2 second window during which you'd have to press the function key (same as when you would unlock the E71).
This tip involves locking the qwerty keypad. Once you're on the E71 home screen, you can press the left soft key once and then quickly press the function key on the lower left corner of the qwerty. I believe there is a 1 to 2 second window during which you'd have to press the function key (same as when you would unlock the E71).
carlysmith98
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WG- you bring up good points. in my own particular situation I am always in very urban settings so doesn't apply to me. but agree w/ you 3G is valuable for those that use it. Data cost can be heavy though no?? I am luck-work pays but for individuals I am sure it adds up. then again we are all paying 500-700+ for our devices anyway...
rodandalisonthompson
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:2thumbs:
will do...might have to be tomorrow though as my camera is being hijacked.
will do...might have to be tomorrow though as my camera is being hijacked.
nikiwildman
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Odd, maybe they are the NAM users who will jump on the E71-2 real soon. I knw my E71 will be sold as soon as the NAM version hits the market.
tilhastezee sharmoota
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what was the msrp of this? 500?
Atheistfools
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Don't worry, I didn't miss the point - and I designed a good number of the test cases for the OS.
The model is designed for limited permissions for individual developers (focus on developers, not users) and doesn't cost "thousands" for an enterprise signature for signing multiple IMEI's. One sig. will sign multiple apps for multiple IMEI's for commercial developers and enterprise admins. Java is intended as the primarly enthusiast development environment on Symbian OS.
The type of sig you get depends on the kind of permissions you request.
Muddle through before V9? Yeah, in limited comms environments, non 3G, non WiFi, single contexts. The OS introduction was timed and driven by 3G deployments. Sorry, but the world is a scarier place now, and the OS has to balance the intrests of governments, manufacturers, operators, enterprises with those of the developer and the individual. Great pains were taken to avoid the mess that is the Windows security model.
As an enterprise if you're deploying commercial apps you pay nothing. If you're developing apps, you need a sig. It allows you to control where your app goes, and doesn't go. It also alows you to restrict what employees can put on your devices... not something the other OS's are capable of.
The kind of myopic view you're taking is exactly why we designed the security model the way we did.
Yes, of course you should have to rely on the servers for signature issuing and validity cheques... That's what it's designed for. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to revoke a certificate that is misused. The model of course allows for the servers not being reachable, and madatory validity checks are not (yet) required on application install by most manufacturers (but supported by the OS).
Most real developers understand that. A majory security on an OS's could result in boycotting of devices based on that OS... by operators and enterprises. All of a sudden the market for you applications dries up. We're already seeing a backlash to the RIM outages. Be thankful that Symbian has put more thinking into it than Microsoft, RIM, Google and Apple combined.
And lose the attitude, Chip. Just because it's a free country doesn't mean you can do what you want.
I want to be able to do what I want with my phone, not yours. The developer certificates are tied to one specific IMEI (my phone). The signed program will not run on any other phone. Why, then, do I not get all capabilities when signing an app to run solely on my phone?
Besides, we somehow managed to muddle through before Symbian 9.
Also, as an enterprise, I shouldn't have to pay thousands of dollars to install an app on phones my company owns. Perhaps making it possible to set up our own chain of trust would be one way of going about it. I shouldn't have to rely on the continued functioning of Symbian's servers to write an application and run it.[/QUOTE]
The model is designed for limited permissions for individual developers (focus on developers, not users) and doesn't cost "thousands" for an enterprise signature for signing multiple IMEI's. One sig. will sign multiple apps for multiple IMEI's for commercial developers and enterprise admins. Java is intended as the primarly enthusiast development environment on Symbian OS.
The type of sig you get depends on the kind of permissions you request.
Muddle through before V9? Yeah, in limited comms environments, non 3G, non WiFi, single contexts. The OS introduction was timed and driven by 3G deployments. Sorry, but the world is a scarier place now, and the OS has to balance the intrests of governments, manufacturers, operators, enterprises with those of the developer and the individual. Great pains were taken to avoid the mess that is the Windows security model.
As an enterprise if you're deploying commercial apps you pay nothing. If you're developing apps, you need a sig. It allows you to control where your app goes, and doesn't go. It also alows you to restrict what employees can put on your devices... not something the other OS's are capable of.
The kind of myopic view you're taking is exactly why we designed the security model the way we did.
Yes, of course you should have to rely on the servers for signature issuing and validity cheques... That's what it's designed for. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to revoke a certificate that is misused. The model of course allows for the servers not being reachable, and madatory validity checks are not (yet) required on application install by most manufacturers (but supported by the OS).
Most real developers understand that. A majory security on an OS's could result in boycotting of devices based on that OS... by operators and enterprises. All of a sudden the market for you applications dries up. We're already seeing a backlash to the RIM outages. Be thankful that Symbian has put more thinking into it than Microsoft, RIM, Google and Apple combined.
And lose the attitude, Chip. Just because it's a free country doesn't mean you can do what you want.
I want to be able to do what I want with my phone, not yours. The developer certificates are tied to one specific IMEI (my phone). The signed program will not run on any other phone. Why, then, do I not get all capabilities when signing an app to run solely on my phone?
Besides, we somehow managed to muddle through before Symbian 9.
Also, as an enterprise, I shouldn't have to pay thousands of dollars to install an app on phones my company owns. Perhaps making it possible to set up our own chain of trust would be one way of going about it. I shouldn't have to rely on the continued functioning of Symbian's servers to write an application and run it.[/QUOTE]
concerned_owner11
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I always leave mine on the charger all nite while asleep. Never have an issue.
Niaomaline
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Dude I miss 30hr and its 4pages. Congrats on the phone as well .... now you need to update your Profile ... E71 & BJII. 
Also check the sites on Nokia for updated apps.
Also check the sites on Nokia for updated apps.
Lovely Smile
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Actually there's likely more to the bugs issue with the E62. The original device was released at the same time as the E50 and E70-2. If ATT was sent a phone that had software that operated on par with E70-2 v1 firmware I wouldn't have given that phone the time of day to add to my network. It was an absolute disaster which Nokia provided a fix for in v2 but it took them a little time.
Add to that that data plans were much more expensive two years ago when the E62 was introduced and now it's likely not much of an issue since almost everybody has a data plan so there is more revenue generated. Or WiFi was really buggy in the original phone that ATT got their hands on which could easily be the case. Keep in mind that the single chip WiFi module used in the original E series was being developed at the same time as the phones were so there needs to be correlation between the software releases.
You can't blame Nokia for catering to the European market first before the US since that is where a majority of their revenue is generated. But it seems Nokia is starting to make a better effort with US versions following European releases a lot better and better stability in the initial release of software. The out of box experience with my N95-4 was miles ahead of my E70-2 experience.
Add to that that data plans were much more expensive two years ago when the E62 was introduced and now it's likely not much of an issue since almost everybody has a data plan so there is more revenue generated. Or WiFi was really buggy in the original phone that ATT got their hands on which could easily be the case. Keep in mind that the single chip WiFi module used in the original E series was being developed at the same time as the phones were so there needs to be correlation between the software releases.
You can't blame Nokia for catering to the European market first before the US since that is where a majority of their revenue is generated. But it seems Nokia is starting to make a better effort with US versions following European releases a lot better and better stability in the initial release of software. The out of box experience with my N95-4 was miles ahead of my E70-2 experience.
thegreengecko
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well, i was an E61 user for quite a while, so the qwerty is something i am missing... and i have been using Windows Live a lot for now, this will be great with it... pity about the FP2 though
and believe me gwapz, if there will be an MIF E71, mine will be an MIF, unless of course it is MIG or MIH...
and believe me gwapz, if there will be an MIF E71, mine will be an MIF, unless of course it is MIG or MIH...
Xiaomeimei23
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I think if the picture and video is not that important to you then I would go with the E71. The speed on the device is insane, the N95 does not even compare (this is compared to a -1). I think the unit is very solid and the qwerty keyboard make the experience a whole lot better.
skunkaperecords
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Ok, that is shocking. Why the heck would Nokia leave that out, especially on the E71? :befuddled
True, a lot of the advanced and security functions are not enabled without an Enterprise Client Access License...then again, you can't do anything with a Blackberry without paying $500 for BB Professional and $100 per CAL at minimum. So it's not like any of this is coming for free, but the MS ECAL is a lower cost over and above Exchange than BB server is. However, yes, for that money BB server provides more extensive remote management features. It's be a REALLY interesting discussion to get into comparing the platforms like this....I wonder where we should put the thread for it though? There's no "General Smartphone" forum. 
I do wonder if Nokia will ever bother putting together their own competitor to BB server or something? Compatibility is great, but the big plusses for MS and BB on the corporate side are the remote management features.
Sorry for hijacking the thread, please forgive me.
I do wonder if Nokia will ever bother putting together their own competitor to BB server or something? Compatibility is great, but the big plusses for MS and BB on the corporate side are the remote management features.
Sorry for hijacking the thread, please forgive me.