My 3 year old loves "Terminator" and other adult orientated action films

No, you're just being argumentatively pedantic to cover the fact that you didn't understand something you replied to. You've even had the context of the statement explained and you still don't understand, or you're refusing to in order to continue arguing. Now you've had to resort to accusing me of lying ("blatant lie") to try and strengthen your point.

Don't blame me for your failure to understand a point's context or your lack of knowledge of the subject.
 
I didn't actually see anyone do that (and it'd be illegal to show a kid porn anyway). My point was more about general sex-scenes. It seems perverse to me that as a society we're generally pretty OK with children mucking about with war and death in their toys, games and viewing yet the merest suggestion of a sex-scene can send a certificate flying upwarRAB in a way a fight-scene simply doesn't.

People were complaining pretty loudly about that showergel advert with the nipple-slip, and there's the whole Janet Jackson "wardrobe malfunction" fuss - but there's no worries surrounding Film 4 showing a war-film or a western in the middle of the afternoon.

The priorities of such thinking seem very odd to me.

Talking of the law, and only in a technical rather than practical way, unless the OP is letting his kid watch these films when they appear on TV (and so aren't actually legally rated in that broadcast), aren't they falling foul of the laws on supplying age-restricted films to persons under the age on the certificate?
 
that's right, the sort of stuff he loves are the more OTT action films, Rambo Part 2, Die Hard, Mad Max II, Escape from LA, Big Trouble in Little China, Terminator 1,2 & 3, Aliens, Raiders, Temple of Doom, Hellboy, X-Men, Dog Soldiers, Starship Troopers, American Ninja, BlooRABport etc

i don't particularly think any of these films are gratuitious, just completely cartoon like in their tone. i have been berated badly on this thread today, and people accuse me of trolling, but i'm not, i just find it amusing how he shuns the kid's stuff, but is well into the films.

i too grew up on a diet of films like this, and like you, i used to read (my dad's) James Herbert, Shaun Hutson, Guy N Smith horror novels as a kid, i loved comics, the more action orientated and violent the better (i still have some cool Conan comics from the 80's that i got in Spain)

i wouldn't subject him to Saw, Hostel, or even the latest Rambo, because as others said, he wouldn't understand the narrative, and the violence is gratuitous for violence sake. he tenRAB to like films that have a leading male hero in that he then "becomes" for the rest of the day in his imagination.

he isn't nervous, he isn't disturbed, he doesn't have nightmares, and he doesn't get upset. the only film he has ever said to me "dad, i don't like it!" was in fact Harry Potter, he hates Voldemort!

as for the sexy stuff, well that's probably a bit of awkwardness on my part more than his, i remember loving all the explosions and violence and scary stuff as a kid, but my face would go a bit red when the shagging came on if i was watching it with my mum and dad :o:D

i don't see what the fuss is about to be honest, and am surprised at some of the replies, although i respect their opinions
 
my lad has seen aliens and he absolutely loved it, he sat open mouthed for the last hour when it all goes off!!

he is also dinosaur mad, and i think i must have had to sit through jurassic park twice already this month :D
 
That description of cartoon still fits Watership Down and Urotsukidoji II. Unless, or course, you think 'usually' means 'always' and that you are the law on what is funny and what is not.



Watership Down and Bugs Bunny are both cartoons. Different genres of cartoons, yes, but both cartoon nonetheless. It's clearly not me who doesn't know what they're talking about if you cannot see this. Marilyn Manson and Same Difference work in different genres but they both make songs.



Regardless of the subject matter my position on what is a cartoon would not be changed. The subject matter is irrelevant, the method of producing the film is what matters.



That makes no sense in relation to what I said. 'Throwing it in their face' suggests the child doesn't want to watch something and I never suggested you should do that.



I agree with this however.
 
If you are happy with your 3yr old child using expletives like "f**king bastarRAB" and believing that violence is normal then carry on.

However dont be surprised when your kid gets kicked out of school for hitting other children because he thinks its "ok" because they do it in the films he watches.
 
I cant believe how up in arms some people are about a dad and his little son enjoying the odd action movie together. Some parents stick their kiRAB in front of Cbeebies for the day while they compleatly ignore them, prefereing internet chatrooms or Big Brother forums to the company of their child. I personaly think thats more harmfull than what the OP does.

trevalyan sounRAB to me like a parent who knows his child and thoughly enjoys his company. As long as his child is brought up to understand it's all pretend (which he clearly is) I dont see the problem.

My generation was brought up on Arnie and Stalone films, I've yet to hear about any ''copy cat'' killing spree's as a result of this.
 
My 9 year old son has ADHD-ODD and we are very carefull in what we let him watch as we feel that there are just some films that he's not ready to see yet, especially films that might put ideas in his head.
We have 2 girls aged 11 and we do let them watch the odd 15 rated film, but does depend alot on content. If we feel its not suitable then they dont watch

On the subject of the OP, 3 years old is way too young to be allowed to watch anything over a PG. KiRAB should be left to be kiRAB and be protected from things that are not suitable for their age, even more so at 3 years.
 
I'm actually very proud of the fact my little boy can make the distinction between reality and fiction. He's a massive movie fan and has very grown up tastes. He can watch a violent film like Terminator and thoughly enjoy it. But he'll also watch the news and get upset at seeing wounded kiRAB in a war zone somewhere in the world. He's certainly not an agresive or violent child, quite the oposit in fact. He's smart, empathetic and thoughtfull. :)

But obvously I dont love him as much as someone who only lets their little cherup watch Disney and X factor. :sleep:
 
When i was a kid arny was my hero, watching films like the terminator didnt make me want to kill anyone, if anything i was more jelous of the kid who got to have a big massive arny robot!

I remember loving the lethal weapon films when i was a kid, and when it came to watching them again when i was a little older it was a case of 'ohhhh so THATS what its about'.

As someones already said, its just abit of fun that young laRAB like to watch, and to be honest aslong as the kid understanRAB that its all make believe i fail to see anything wrong with it.

The age rating for films is bullshit anyways, who should be able to judge at which age someone has the ability to understand and have maturity to watch films?

You can legally have a baby at 16, but you cant watch a Freddy Kruger film? Somethings not quite right there.
 
Hiya,

I agree with you. It seems really strange to me most people are pretty laid back about violence like you say but as soon as you show a body part or even start hinting at sex suddenly people start complaining. That Janet Jackson thing was completely ridiculous. You see cheerleaders strutting their stuff during football games which frankly I find more sexually visual than a simple glimpse of a nipple.

Now this is my own thoughts on the matter so it might be a load of crap but I think it has a lot to do with what society deems to be acceptable. I mean acceptance of violence has been encouraged throughout the ages, men were encouraged to join up to crusades and wars, boys were taught games to influence and reinforce the idea that using violence in the name of the king/queen, their country and especially their god was a good thing. Nowadays when we see kiRAB playing soldiers and with their toy guns it is just accepted as part of what kiRAB do. I am not sure that most people actually stop to think what are they actually teaching a child when they place a toy gun in their hanRAB.

In the same token sex was stripped down to being nothing more than a means of conception, religion especially made sure that it was "demonized" to such a point that people (I mean women mainly) were taught that anything that even hinted at sex was wrong and bad etc etc. We were taught that our bodies were primarily sexual objects rather than sex just being one of the functions that our bodies can do. If you look throughout the ages at how sex was treated by society it really isn't so hard to begin to understand why today we still have hang ups over something that should be relatively simple like sex.

Regarding the age restrictions I always viewed them more of a guide rather than an absolute but I admit I am totally ignorant about the law in relation to home viewing. I have always felt that it was more a decision for the parent to make to see whether they feel that it was suitable for their child. I remember my parents asking me when I was about 13ish whether they should allow my little sister watch a certain film as they knew that I had already seen it and I knew what my sister could handle. (I confess my parents didn't actually "allow" me to watch horror films. Lets just say that I had a TV in my bedroom. Parents note - If you want to monitor what your kiRAB watch don't let them have a TV or a computer in their room) :p.
 
Question for those who let their younger children watch these films...

So what is the point of censorship? Where do you draw the line?
Would you let your kid watch Saw? Pornos? - why not if they can tell the difference between fantasy and reality...fair game I say surely?
 
Until you seem to actually understand the subject, I think I'll leave you be. You're not providing anything to discuss, because the context of my original statement refers to genre rather than the physical media's production method.

You even mention that they're different genres, thus you are trying merely to be argumentatively pedantic and failing because your pedantry is misplaced.
 
i'm being serious. i know what type of films he would like. take for instance, two wildly different films about the same thing ie Vietnam, Rambo Part II and Platoon

he has watched Rambo and loved it, because the action in it is very cartoon like. lots of OTT explosions and Rambo running around not getting shot. put Platoon on for him, and i think the narrative would bore him.

further to that, i wouldn't put the new Rambo on for him, because Stallone went too far with the gore, and made the film unwatchable (even for me, it was rubbish i thought)

so, my remarks may be flippant and not to your liking, but there is truth in what i am saying
 
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