list your favourite HD release group

There's a new internal group from BIT-HDTV called FraMeSToR -- their encodes have very high video quality and optional HD audio. IMO, they are the best out there right now (with all due respect to EuReKa and ESiR).
 
Um OK. Other that just calling me "wrong", would you care to back up your claims somehow?
I'm not saying sound isn't important. I appreciate a cool surround sound track just as much as the next guy, if not more. I'm just doubtful that a 1500kbps DTS sound stream is more than twice as good as a 640kbps AC3 stream, as the bit rate might imply. That extra 860kbps would make more of a noticeable difference in video bandwidth than it would in audio bandwidth (especially in smaller 720p releases), IMHO.
Anyway, I didn't mean to take this too far off topic and turn this into a DTS vs AC3 debate.

PS I like DON as a release group too :-)
 
Sylar666 said:
I would like to thank Daniel for the very useful and professional stuff here. Good job!
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exactly. can't thank him enough for sharing his knowledge here. I've basically gotten all my information on HD i needed to start out from him. we need more of members like these!
 
athenaesword, non-scene groups/releasers are generally quality-conscious because they have other goals (or limitations) than scene groups.

The 720p scene rules state that standard length tv episodes (37-59 minutes) should be 1100mb in size and that doesn't cut it most of the time (the possible video bitrates of scene releases are as low as 3200kbps). Non-scene releases are typically 1500mb or 2200mb (1/3 or 1/2 dvd size) which allows ~4000kbps or ~ 6500kbps and a visible improvement in most cases.

Much of the same is true for movies because most scene released movies are made to fit on a single dvd (~4.4gb) as this is encouraged by the current scene release standards (dvd9 should be used only in cases of long movies, or high action movies). Another rule to favor the non-scene alternatives is the lack of quality control of scene releases because qualitative issues are no valid reason for a proper. What this means? Some group can hurry the process along and make a bad release of a movie and as long as there are no technical issues, this bad release is most likely the only scene release you'll ever get to see. Non-scene movies are usually a bit larger (by 1/3rd in most cases) but like with tv episodes it ensures a standard of quality that is higher than the casual viewer will ever want for.

To answer your question: yes I believe CtrlHD and ESiR are the two most competent p2p release groups and I've only had to re-download one movie in all my time at HDBits. I'm talking about the latest Bourne movie where CtrlHD (or was it ESiR?) fucked up the non-English/Russian subtitles which should have been hard-coded or included at least.

ammendmend #1: you don't need an account at HDBits necessarily. Try hd-bits.ro and search for those groups, I know of at least a couple of CtrlHD and ESiR movies over there and some of them are free leech. If you have some Usenet access try the same search too, you'll wonder how much stuff is available there ;) The latest I just downloaded is the complete bluray rip of the 3rd Lost season in 720p (~53GB in 23 episodes, minus par files).

ammendmend #2: GoldStoNe, I obviously didn't read your username careful enough or I might have noticed the difference myself ;) You're right about the hail to all hd-masters though, most of my current traffic is for highdef content!
 
Daniel said:
athenaesword, non-scene groups/releasers are generally quality-conscious because they have other goals (or limitations) than scene groups.

The 720p scene rules state that standard length tv episodes (37-59 minutes) should be 1100mb in size and that doesn't cut it most of the time (the possible video bitrates of scene releases are as low as 3200kbps). Non-scene releases are typically 1500mb or 2200mb (1/3 or 1/2 dvd size) which allows ~4000kbps or ~ 6500kbps and a visible improvement in most cases.

Much of the same is true for movies because most scene released movies are made to fit on a single dvd (~4.4gb) as this is encouraged by the current scene release standards (dvd9 should be used only in cases of long movies, or high action movies). Another rule to favor the non-scene alternatives is the lack of quality control of scene releases because qualitative issues are no valid reason for a proper. What this means? Some group can hurry the process along and make a bad release of a movie and as long as there are no technical issues, this bad release is most likely the only scene release you'll ever get to see. Non-scene movies are usually a bit larger (by 1/3rd in most cases) but like with tv episodes it ensures a standard of quality that is higher than the casual viewer will ever want for.

To answer your question: yes I believe CtrlHD and ESiR are the two most competent p2p release groups and I've only had to re-download one movie in all my time at HDBits. I'm talking about the latest Bourne movie where CtrlHD (or was it ESiR?) fucked up the non-English/Russian subtitles which should have been hard-coded or included at least.

ammendmend #1: you don't need an account at HDBits necessarily. Try hd-bits.ro and search for those groups, I know of at least a couple of CtrlHD and ESiR movies over there and some of them are free leech. If you have some Usenet access try the same search too, you'll wonder how much stuff is available there ;) The latest I just downloaded is the complete bluray rip of the 3rd Lost season in 720p (~53GB in 23 episodes, minus par files).

ammendmend #2: GoldStoNe, I obviously didn't read your username careful enough or I might have noticed the difference myself ;) You're right about the hail to all hd-masters though, most of my current traffic is for highdef content!
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thanks for the informative writeup mate ^^ i'm currently using hd-bits.ro and scenehd as my main sources of HD content for now, and i'm beating myself up for not discovering HD earlier. i have literally hundreds of dvdrips and am now starting the painful process of redownloading bit by bit.

may i ask what does proper mean? sorry if it's a noob question ;)

from what you say, these better rips from nonscene groups are accompanied by a significant increase in size, which is of course understandable and not that much of a problem for me, but is size a good gauge of the quality of the rip? it's certainly not indicative for dvds but i'm still relatively new with HD.

also, if you burn these HD movies onto DVD as data DVDs, you would need a HDDVD or bluray player to play it right? (also another seemingly redundant question but i recently burnt a HD movie onto dvd and it played on my dvd player except the quality was pretty bad)

and here's thanks to all who've contributed to the thread =]
 
Which groups actually do 720p releases at 1280x768?

I see a few 1280x534 on Bit-HDTV. Some where much bigger than others too. I was just browsing for Iron Man and there was 1 at 2.56 gigs and one at 4.41 gigs and a couple at t 6.6 gigs which is probably the one I would get.

What's generally the size of a really good quality 720p release?

Sorry I'm new to this. Normally I'll just get DVD9 DVDs but HD rips are better quality so I might as well get HD rips since they are smaller than DVD9 DVDs as well.
 
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