list your favourite HD release group

could you guys rank the quality of the HD movies released by the different groups. occasionally movies are released by multiple groups and it'd be nice to know which to go for. i've heard good things about ESiR but i'd like to hear your opinions about the rest of them.

downloading both and testing isn't a good option for me because currently my PC's only hooked up to a 19" screen. somewhere along this year i'm getting myself a 50" TV so i'm buffing up my HD storage for now.

some of the release groups:
hV - scene
CtrlHD - non-scene
ESiR - non-scene
ill - non-scene
hV - scene
SEPTiC - scene
CDDHD - scene
REVEiLLE - scene
SZ - ?????
chakra - ?????
sinners - ?????
NiX - ?????
PRiDE - ?????

thanks guys.
chakra by far the best release group imo
 
I too try to stick to Esir and CtrlHD as I noticed the better quality.
Septic is quite terrible PQ wise, but I go to the other groups if I have to.
Eureka seems pretty good to me. Haven't seen anyone else mention them though.
 
hopefully everyone who is mentioning septic/chakra is joking... who knows though, maybe you guys are that dumb.

anyway, here is a list of great INTERNAL release groups/individuals on you know which tracker.

ESiR
CtrlHD
iLL
rabomil
NWO
HDL
NiX
QXE
XSHD
JAVLiU
Red
 
that's great advice. only thing is the sources that i'm getting from now the comments are usually just thanksx50 and there aren't any screenshots to talk about. but i will keep them in mind for later =)

There are almost 700 torrents on HDBits that fit the search "hdtv 720p" for example and some of them are worth checking out because there's literally no other alternative available. One of the most important examples: The Lord of The Rings trilogy in HD. Here is a link to a screencap of the 1080p encode of The Two Towers. While HDTV rips are generally not up to par with BluRay/HDDVD rips, any highdef encode is worth downloading if there is no other alternative to choose. hdlover (HDL) is someone I can reccomend, he's probably using the German pay-tv channel PremiereHD to create his hdtv-rips and uses the English audio track from a DVD to complete his rip.

so issit safe to say that the best hdtv rips would be subpar or at most equivalent to hddvd/bluray rips of the same size?

one of the things that've been bugging me recently is the difference between 720p and 1080p. someone mentioned to me before that a good 720p encode is better than a poor 1080p encode. is that true? i mean would a 6gb 720p encode be possibly better than an 8gb 1080p encode? since we're talking about quality anyway, do you prefer to download 720p for the size or 1080p?

edit: btw regarding that lotr encode i heard it's not the extended version. i'm not so keen on it yet since i recently downloaded the 88gb dvd extended lol.

I didn't say that watching hd movies on your hdtv is impossible because it isn't, but the way you went about it negated all advantages of those hd movies. The most important thing is the video codec - dvd's simply aren't efficient enough with their old mpeg codec anymore. The best way is to build a HTPC box to stream the video content, because it offers you the most freedom and because of it's system based either on Linux or Windows it offers you compatibility like no other solution. On top of that it allows you to store data in a reasonably cheap way on conventional hard drives.

i'll try to find out more information on that by reading up elsewhere first cus i dont' wanna bore you with explaining that whole system from scratch. but i'd like to know though, how much would it cost to set up one? let's say i'm using a 500gb conventional harddisk.
 
It is safe to say that hddvd/bluray are the best possible source and while a good hdtv source (which is by no means to be expected) can come close, the level of detail is just not there. This is partly due to the simple fact that most tv stations are limited to smaller bandwidths than would be adviseable.

one of the things that've been bugging me recently is the difference between 720p and 1080p. someone mentioned to me before that a good 720p encode is better than a poor 1080p encode. is that true? i mean would a 6gb 720p encode be possibly better than an 8gb 1080p encode? since we're talking about quality anyway, do you prefer to download 720p for the size or 1080p?
It highly depends on your equipment, is your tv only hd-ready or fully capable for hd? Full HD means 1920x1080 and while I'm not trying to start a philosophical discussion here, this resolution is only worth it with the proper tv appliance. Those "small" 37" full HD products may be nice but the true advantage of the higher quality and resolution can only be shown with larger screens, from 47" upwards in my opinion. Those aren't cheap however and you'll have to think about parting with $2000 for one of those.

To make a long explanation short: if you don't have the proper hardware to support this resolution, then you won't NEED the 1080 rips. I know a couple of friends who own some smaller screens and they have no complaints about a little bit of upconverting.

The issue between 720p and 1080 is about the promise for the future. The trend is clearly leading to full HD screens but those are still too expensive for the average consumer - and the BluRay/HDDVD war doesn't help to invest in new technology either. While 1080 rips are larger in size (up to 2-3x larger than their 720p equivalent) and will demand more CPU time to decode, they come with a guarantee for the future whenever that may be ;)


edit: btw regarding that lotr encode i heard it's not the extended version. i'm not so keen on it yet since i recently downloaded the 88gb dvd extended lol.
88gb? :O The Two Towers Extended Edt aired in HDTV, the other two are only available with upconverted parts cut in. That is obviously less than perfect but I still prefer 3/4 of a movie to be hd than not at all! For anyone who wants the extended editions in a reasonable size, I'd suggest the XTSF release (Lord.Of.The.Rings.Trilogy.Extended.Edition.DVDRip.x264-XTSF) who have done a nice x264 dvdrip in 13gb for all 3 movies - those are also way better than any xvid dvdrip I've ever seen.

i'll try to find out more information on that by reading up elsewhere first cus i dont' wanna bore you with explaining that whole system from scratch. but i'd like to know though, how much would it cost to set up one? let's say i'm using a 500gb conventional harddisk.
A HTPC is technically like any other personal computer but (ideally) with some optimizations in noise reduction and with a couple of limitations. That means you won't get one of those for a bargain prize and it'll likely cost you several hundred Euros/dollars. The by far better bargain are external tools like the Media Tank I linked to earlier. I prefer (and recommend) a HTPC because it's been working amazingly well for me, my whole music collection is controlled through my media station, I have a digital tv receiver, I can record tv programs on it, I can watch everything from DVD to BluRay with it and I store content on harddrives that can be exchanged in a matter of 20 seconds. So you see that there are some real strengths to this solution but if you do not or cannot use them, a HTPC will likely be an over-expensive gadget to you.
 
Daniel, good job in answering athenaesword's questions. :)

I'd like to add that if you have a HDTV below 50", 720p would be good enough.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-6810011-1.html?tag=ms

nice read GoldStoNe ;) and yeah daniel definitely deserves some form of honorary mention here lol. perhaps open a HD section for him to mod ^^
i'm going to check out what my TV really is lol. all i really know about it now is that it's 50" and it supports HDMI. i'm not even sure if it's full HD like daniel mentioned.
 
yeah but is this healthy for your eyes? We all used to blame CRT TVs for ruining our eyesight since youth.
That was true for CRT tv's, yes. Neither plasma nor any other kind of digital displays need a 'safe' viewing distance anymore because there is nothing harmful left. You can in fact sit as close as you want to your screen without any health issues popping up. Well, except for a possible headache if you see too much of the screen's pixel structure :D For a standard PC monitor the recommended distance is about 20 inches and the same process is applied to tv's.

This is something called 'recommended viewing distance' (ad-lib translation from my mother tongue) which determines a range based on your screen size rather than a fixed distance. For a 50" screen this is between 6 and 10 feet and you should test that, starting from the lower end - if it's possible at all in your living room setup. One word of advise: it doesn't help testing the distance with only one kind of high quality medium because at least over here in Europe, 480p non-hd content is still vastly dominating and you may receive a better result if you're not too close to the screen for that kind of torture ;)
 
I guess I have to go with EuReKa based from my experience. The higher the quality the better.

There is nothing more insulting to a good calibrated 1080p HDTV than a "2 hour action film" 1080p rip with less bitrate than a DVD.
 
yeah definitely quality over speed for me. looks like ctlhd and esir tops everyone else. anyone able to point out which are the nonscene groups from the list in OP and which are scene? i'll stay away from the scene releases

release groups:
1) ESiR - non-scene
2) CtrlHD - non-scene
3) ill - non-scene
4) hV - scene
5) SEPTiC - scene
6) REVEiLLE - scene
7) CDDHD - scene
8) SZ - ?????
9) chakra - ?????
10) sinners - ?????
11) NiX - ?????
12) PRiDE - ?????
 
720P is 1280x720 not 1280x768


I'm also very curious about this, as I'm very new to HD too. I usually just go for the smallest size, and I always grab only 720p releases. The quality from what I've grabbed has always looked excellent(beautiful actually) to me. But would grabbing the larger file sizes of the same 720p movie mean better quality than the smaller file size?

Usually not enuf to notice, most of the time the only difference is the
bitrate, and sometimes the bigger rips have a better audio stream.
But it all depends if you get a good encode thats say 4.3gig it might
even be better than a encode thats say 6gig, all depends on the encode
really size isnt always a factor
 
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