John Bush came in on the "Sound of White Noise" album and was very grungy sounding and they also brought in grunge producer Dave Jerden as well, its actually quite a good album and almost as good as their early stuff, its certainly better than the previous two they had done with Joey "State of Euphoria" and "Persistence of Time" Also Dan Spitz left after this album as well. Unfortunately "Sound of White Noise" wasn`t followed up on quality wise, most of the albums since then with John Bush have been very average to say the least.