Israel's right to exist v.lotsofreadingwithfacts(long read, no cliffs)

Says who? It's obviously not Lebanese land. And the Syrian's wont claim it as their's either.

You try to justify hezbollah's action by blamming it on the Shabbah farms, but its obvious that those farms do not belong to Lebanon. There is no question that the Shabaa farms area is recognized by the international community as not part of Lebanon. Its obvious that you're just looking for an excuse to blame Israel.

"....With reference to the disturbances along the Blue Line emanating from Lebanese territory, I call on the Government of Lebanon and all relevant parties to condemn and prevent such violations. The Security Council itself confirmed in June 2000 that Israel had withdrawn from southern Lebanon in compliance with UN Security Council resolutions 425 and 426. Attacks at any point along the Blue Line, including in the Shebaa Farms area in the occupied Golan Heights, are violations of Security Council resolutions. Respect for decisions of the Security Council is the most basic requirement of international legitimacy...."

-Kofi Annan.

Case in point: Hezbollah is not a justified or legitimate resistance.
 
I find this very hard to believe due to the fact that the Shabaa farms are part of the Golan Heights, which before 1967, was Syrian territory. I can't even count how many Syrians I have heard say that they want the Golan Heights to be returned to its legitimate owner, which is Syria.

But for the sake of the argument, let's say Lebanon and Syria are not claiming this land as theirs. Then WHO IS claiming it as their own? Israel can't claim it as theirs since their international recognized border is along the green line drawn after the 1948 war.
 
I think you're the one that's not capable of reading. ITS NOT LEBANESE LAND!



The Lebanese claim is that the land was "given" to lebanon from Syria as a gift in 1951.

Now, if its Syria's land, then it is to be returned to Syria following a peace treaty of some sort. I wonder if Syria would ever agree to one?
 
It my be my first point but it's not the only one. The fact is Jews have been in that area for quite a long time. Arabs are unable to accept Jews and even when the Jews tried to give them equality within Israel they refused. Israel has earned every right to be in the region. Arabs need to accept that and there would be peace. Israel offered equality to all Arabs within its border and the Arabs refused.
 
It's obvious that its not only the Shabaa farms that bother you, but the entire Golan heights - and most likely the whole country of Israel as well. Perhaps when Syria learns to coexist with Israel, then maybe they'll have some of their Golan heights back. Until then, its a crucial buffer zone with an immense strategic value. Not to mention the fact that it protect's Israel's main water supply. In 64 when Syria was occupying the Golan heights they tried creating a Dam that rerouted the water away from Israel. Yeah, real friendly.
 
bullshit. the only reason they are still in existence is due to us help. us pulls help and there goes israel....israel is little more than the 52nd state of the United States.
 
"but Syria has refused to notify the UN of its position officially"

I wonder why? Perhaps because they wish to prolong the conflict rather than end it?

If it's Syrian land, a peace treaty would most likely end the conflict. Syria wants no such thing.

If it's Lebanese land, Hezbollah gets to keep fighting. Of course Hezbollah being a terrorist organization doesnt have to worry about the UN. The opposite can be said about Syria.
 
Hence why it is crucial for the Arabic world to remain rather undeveloped and poor. Because if the Arabic world would to actually start to care about their living standard, Israel would have been gone a long time ago.

This is why I don't buy the argument that half of this conflict would be done if Arabs had better conditions to live in. The more developed the Arabic world gets, the more tempted they will be to attack Israel again.
 
You keep claiming how the UN has done this and that saying Israel is wrong but you aren't recognizing the part where the UN sees the Sheeba farms as part of the Golan Heights, therefore part of Syria. What somebody says orally now a days doesn't count for shit. Everything has to be done through official channels. Hell, you said in your quote, "Syria fears that recognizing the Shebaa territory as Lebanese will allow Lebanon to negotiate a separate deal with Israel."

Syria does not want peace....they are better off having Israel fighting Hezbollah than they are if there was peace. Syria can easily go to the UN and officially claim Sheeba farms as Lebanese but that could possibly lead to peace so they won't do that.

You are being naive if you really think that Hezbollah or Hamas would calm down if Israel backed out. Yeah, Hamas said they would, but I trust them about as much as I trust Osama. Most leaders in that area exxagerate the truth if not outright lie.
 
How is it moot? I never said they were there first. My point is that Jews haven't been in that are for only 100 years. They've been there for thousands of years. They have as much right to lands there as other groups. They've constantly had to defend themselves which adds more credibility to their right to exist.



Guess what....it all stems from the same issue. Israel has signed cease fires and agreements time after time to only have more attacks. Why? Because Arabs do not accept them. That's the only reason this and all other conflicts in the past and to come in the future.
 
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