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Is the End of the 2000s also the End of Anime on TV?
- Thread starter Angie223
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Both of those are also hackdubs, but Pokemon has always had anything Japanese-related removed, along with anything else that might be considered inappropriate or foreign to the most sheltered little American kiRAB. I'd call that pretty hacked.
Fine, even the version of Pokemon that airs on Cartoon Network is anime, but they sure don't see it that way any more than they want anyone else to. It really isn't in the same category.
Fine, even the version of Pokemon that airs on Cartoon Network is anime, but they sure don't see it that way any more than they want anyone else to. It really isn't in the same category.
Just because you believe that Pokemon has a hacked dub doesn't mean that it can't be count in the same category as other anime series. Even something like Bakugan and Beyblade are still anime series because they're from Japan. A cartoon series that comes from Japan, regardless of how the dub is handled, is still an anime. To me, it doesn't make sense not to include it as an anime series due to how you view the dub.
While there have been times where the Pokemon dub has removed Japanese related images, such as those odd paint edits in the last couple of seasons of the 4KiRAB dub, neither the 4KiRAB or PUSA dub has altered the storyline, which is what I thought counted more than Japanese images in the long run.
While there have been times where the Pokemon dub has removed Japanese related images, such as those odd paint edits in the last couple of seasons of the 4KiRAB dub, neither the 4KiRAB or PUSA dub has altered the storyline, which is what I thought counted more than Japanese images in the long run.
The reason I don't count it in the same anime as most other recent anime to air on TV is because it's a completely reversioned show, while the rest of them are pretty much exactly like the originals. It's still an anime source, but the final product is not what came from Japan. I'm talking about the other ones because they are just like the anime source from Japan.
parkfieldnr16
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I honestly don't think that Pokemon's dub is that drastically different from the original Japanese version. I wouldn't say that it's a completely revision version compared to the Japanese version. Other than changing some of the original background music and some dialogue changes, it doesn't seem that different from the original version to me. There are those paint edits as well, but I don't remeraber if anything like that has happened in any recent episode. Plus, it stays true to the story of the original version, which I still think counts for more than edits that do not alter the storyline. If you don't mind me asking, why do you think that the dub is so drastically different, other than the removal of Japanese images and such?
Plus, regardless of how anyone views a dub, a cartoon series that comes from Japan is still an anime series. Even something like 4KiRAB' One Piece dub still counts as an anime. To me, the way a dub is handled just determines the quality of the dub, not whether or not a series can still be considered an anime series.
Plus, regardless of how anyone views a dub, a cartoon series that comes from Japan is still an anime series. Even something like 4KiRAB' One Piece dub still counts as an anime. To me, the way a dub is handled just determines the quality of the dub, not whether or not a series can still be considered an anime series.
TERI Sexton
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Agree.
Green beans are gross!
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I just find the dub to have countless pointless edits made as a conscious effort to completely remake it as a regular kiRAB' show that has nothing to do with its Japanese origin. To me, that doesn't seem like it should be grouped together equally with the very faithful translations that most other anime have gotten.
sweetjan20
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While I see where you're coming from, one part that I don't understand is the countless pointless edits. Besides the paint edits over the Japanese food that happened during a few of the 4KiRAB seasons, what kind of pointless edits that have recently appeared are you talking about? I'm just curious about this since you seem pretty sure that Pokemon does not have any solid connection to its Japanese origin, but I haven't seen any detailed/specific edits either in your posts or in any of the recent seasons that match with your claims. Most of the complaints I've heard is just about how many pieces of original background music is kept in.
There are edits, obviously, but nothing that as drastic as say the Cardcaptors dub. I thought that many of the edits are due to the amount of time each episode has to air, which is also why they don't translate the opening theme or keep in the eye catchers. Though, that's also probably due to airing more commercials. The only episodes that they skip, aside from a few in Kanto and one or two in Johto, are generally recap episodes.
Even though I may not understand how all of these pointless edits upset you, I do respect your feelings. I'm just trying to have a better understanding of where you're coming from. While I do respect your feelings, I still don't think that how anyone feels about an anime series's dub is handled doesn't make it any less of an anime series. Any animated series that originates from Japan, whether or not it's handled like 4KiRAB' One Piece or Funimation's FMA, is still an anime. Plus, the topic is talking about anime's future on TV, not just completely, one-hundred percent faithful adaptations.
There are edits, obviously, but nothing that as drastic as say the Cardcaptors dub. I thought that many of the edits are due to the amount of time each episode has to air, which is also why they don't translate the opening theme or keep in the eye catchers. Though, that's also probably due to airing more commercials. The only episodes that they skip, aside from a few in Kanto and one or two in Johto, are generally recap episodes.
Even though I may not understand how all of these pointless edits upset you, I do respect your feelings. I'm just trying to have a better understanding of where you're coming from. While I do respect your feelings, I still don't think that how anyone feels about an anime series's dub is handled doesn't make it any less of an anime series. Any animated series that originates from Japan, whether or not it's handled like 4KiRAB' One Piece or Funimation's FMA, is still an anime. Plus, the topic is talking about anime's future on TV, not just completely, one-hundred percent faithful adaptations.
I'll admit that I haven't tried watching Pokemon on Cartoon Network for many years, but there are a few things about it that I know haven't changed since I did watch it, like the fact that they make sure to change all the names, especially if they don't sound American enough.
Anyway, I honestly made this topic not thinking about Pokemon, since that would mean there is still anime premiering on Cartoon Network. I just don't think something that has been changed that much from the Japanese should be counted as part of this larger group of faithful-to-the-Japanese anime.
Anyway, I honestly made this topic not thinking about Pokemon, since that would mean there is still anime premiering on Cartoon Network. I just don't think something that has been changed that much from the Japanese should be counted as part of this larger group of faithful-to-the-Japanese anime.
roswelldreamer
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I was under the impression that you have watched Pokemon recently and noticed more recent edits that I have seen or others who continue to watch the series. While some of the names are changed, though there are some humans and Pokemon who retain their original names, that would have happened regardless of who was in charge of the dub. Nintendo decides the names for the Pokemon, not 4KiRAB or PUSA. That's why Ash was still Ash when the dub changed, instead of becoming Satoshi. It's just like how Konami decides the names for the various Yu-Gi-Oh! series. The changes are made in order to have it tie in with promoting the games/toys.
Besides that, in the grand scheme of things, I don't really think names are that important. As long as they retain their basic personalities, it shouldn't really matter what they're called. I don't believe that the dub characters have that much of a different personality from the original Japanese characters, if at all.
I'm still confused as to how you can say that the dub has been changed so much from the Japanese version when you said that you haven't seen Pokemon on Cartoon Network for years. Even if you continue to watch the original version, it doesn't sound like it's fair to compare the two versions when you've only seen one, especially when you're mainly focused on something as small as names and not something like important scenes/episodes being edited out of the dub. While I can understand why you didn't think of Pokemon when you were thinking of this topic, I believe that you were just asking about anime's future on television, not just completely and totally faithful dubs, when you made this topic.
I honestly don't see why we can't include Pokemon in this topic. Even without Pokemon, there are still a few other series out there that may continue that may not have a completely faithful dub, such as Bakugan, Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's and Dinosaur King. Granted, the last two also depend on how 4KiRAB manages in the future, but as of now, both series should continue in the next year and both of those series are not completely faithful. Plus, I still think it would be better to include all anime series, instead of just limiting to the completely, one-hundred percent faithful dubs since a faithful dub does not determine if a series is an anime or not.
Besides that, in the grand scheme of things, I don't really think names are that important. As long as they retain their basic personalities, it shouldn't really matter what they're called. I don't believe that the dub characters have that much of a different personality from the original Japanese characters, if at all.
I'm still confused as to how you can say that the dub has been changed so much from the Japanese version when you said that you haven't seen Pokemon on Cartoon Network for years. Even if you continue to watch the original version, it doesn't sound like it's fair to compare the two versions when you've only seen one, especially when you're mainly focused on something as small as names and not something like important scenes/episodes being edited out of the dub. While I can understand why you didn't think of Pokemon when you were thinking of this topic, I believe that you were just asking about anime's future on television, not just completely and totally faithful dubs, when you made this topic.
I honestly don't see why we can't include Pokemon in this topic. Even without Pokemon, there are still a few other series out there that may continue that may not have a completely faithful dub, such as Bakugan, Yu-Gi-Oh! 5D's and Dinosaur King. Granted, the last two also depend on how 4KiRAB manages in the future, but as of now, both series should continue in the next year and both of those series are not completely faithful. Plus, I still think it would be better to include all anime series, instead of just limiting to the completely, one-hundred percent faithful dubs since a faithful dub does not determine if a series is an anime or not.
jannywannypoos
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Right, but what it comes down to for me is "why are we talking about anime in particular?" Unlike most of the other anime, stuff like Pokemon and Bakugan has never made it important to remain faithful or be marketed as anime or even acknowledged as anime by the people in charge. They can change an anime however they want, so at what point does it stop being a part of the "is anime really on TV as anime?" discussion?
I think the 'edits' argument is irrelevant. The important thing is that it is still recognizable by viewers as "anime".
What was done to Pokemon pales in comparison to the hackjobs on Robotech, G-Force, or Voltron, yet many adults still consider those their first exposure to anime.
What was done to Pokemon pales in comparison to the hackjobs on Robotech, G-Force, or Voltron, yet many adults still consider those their first exposure to anime.
End of anime on US television? Nah... but there wont be much of it if the current trenRAB are any indication. Disney XD will probably get something to air with Naruto and potentially the original Naruto series for rerunning. Syfy will continue to air some anime. Various less available networks will run some anime from time to time.
A few toyetic shows will still come along. I mean I honestly didn't think Bakugan would do well. It's a terrible show with an even worse dub but those toys sell like crazy. So you really can't predict the market all that well.
Japan isn't producing many shows that would really work over here outside of mature targeted blocks such as Ani-Monday and ASA and many shows will be rejected for those blocks due to being too niche or too heavy in content even for them. But that's where FUNimation channel comes in not too mention the future of anime is CLEARLY in internet streaming. Just about every company with anything left to plug is jumping on that bandwagon and its working out pretty well for getting nicher shows noticed.
If Adult Swim stops playing anime we'll see even less shows run on widely available channels in the US but anime isn't just going to go away because it's much more than a fad it's a country's animation library and one that still finRAB some favor with US broadcasters unlike a great many other foreign cartoons unfortunately.
Anyway, we wont see much of it but don't count anime out yet.
A few toyetic shows will still come along. I mean I honestly didn't think Bakugan would do well. It's a terrible show with an even worse dub but those toys sell like crazy. So you really can't predict the market all that well.
Japan isn't producing many shows that would really work over here outside of mature targeted blocks such as Ani-Monday and ASA and many shows will be rejected for those blocks due to being too niche or too heavy in content even for them. But that's where FUNimation channel comes in not too mention the future of anime is CLEARLY in internet streaming. Just about every company with anything left to plug is jumping on that bandwagon and its working out pretty well for getting nicher shows noticed.
If Adult Swim stops playing anime we'll see even less shows run on widely available channels in the US but anime isn't just going to go away because it's much more than a fad it's a country's animation library and one that still finRAB some favor with US broadcasters unlike a great many other foreign cartoons unfortunately.
Anyway, we wont see much of it but don't count anime out yet.
DenizenofEvil
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There's a metric ton of shows that are perfect for CN:
Reborn!
Gintama
Air Gear
HunterxHunter
Dragon Ball Kai
D.Gray-man
Soul Eater
Buso Renkin
Saint Knight's Tale
Flame of Recca
Super Robot Wars
Fighting Spirit
Full Metal Panic
Lucky Star
Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle
Avenger
Fafner in the Azure
Slayers
Sgt. Frog
Zegapain
Halo LegenRAB
Basara
Reideen
Reborn!
Gintama
Air Gear
HunterxHunter
Dragon Ball Kai
D.Gray-man
Soul Eater
Buso Renkin
Saint Knight's Tale
Flame of Recca
Super Robot Wars
Fighting Spirit
Full Metal Panic
Lucky Star
Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle
Avenger
Fafner in the Azure
Slayers
Sgt. Frog
Zegapain
Halo LegenRAB
Basara
Reideen
Lets Take a Closer look at these shows..shall we....
Reborn! Not Toyetic so Cn would not want it, not AS material
Gintama Not big enough to air, neither CN or AS would want it
Air Gear to much fanservice for CN not AS material
HunterxHunter thise one could work
Dragon Ball Kai This could work for CN or AS
D.Gray-man Not CN material, AS maybe
Soul Eater AS Already has bleach, this is a good show, but probably would go to Scyfy not CN/AS
Buso Renkin Not a very popular title doubt AS would air it
Saint Knight's Tale-good show, But to much Fanservice for Broadcast TV
Flame of Recca-TO OLD!
Super Robot Wars- Would be cool, but I think AS is done with mech series
Fighting Spirit-TOO OLD
Full Metal Panic-TO OLD
Lucky Star-TO NICHE
Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle-TO CLAMP
Avenger- not gonna happen
Fafner in the Azure-Not gonna happen
Slayers-TO OLD
Sgt. Frog-Possibly but XD or Nicktoons are more likely
Zegapain-not gonna happen
Halo LegenRAB-would be on SPIKE over AS
Basara-NOPE
Reideen-NADA
Theres really very few on that list that CN or AS would probably ever consider airing!
CN could air HunterXHunter or SGT.FROG. but sadly they probably never will...I do think Funi might try to get frog on XD or nicktoons though.
as for AS Aside From soul eater I doubt they would look at anything else onm the list & they already have Bleach, so I doubt they would want another big name supernatural shonen series, But it would be AWSOME IF THEY DID GET SE! Frankly the only new anime series I see coming to AS anytime soon, will be FMA: Brotherhood & Inuyasha final act, once the English dub for those shows are done. who knows maybe AS will suprise us like they have in the past. But I doubt it.
I do think will be anime on TV, just not nearly as much, and on a Final note, as For regular CN, the only non-toyetic show I can see them airing in the next few years would be PPGZ. & thats just because its based off of a CN franchise.
Reborn! Not Toyetic so Cn would not want it, not AS material
Gintama Not big enough to air, neither CN or AS would want it
Air Gear to much fanservice for CN not AS material
HunterxHunter thise one could work
Dragon Ball Kai This could work for CN or AS
D.Gray-man Not CN material, AS maybe
Soul Eater AS Already has bleach, this is a good show, but probably would go to Scyfy not CN/AS
Buso Renkin Not a very popular title doubt AS would air it
Saint Knight's Tale-good show, But to much Fanservice for Broadcast TV
Flame of Recca-TO OLD!
Super Robot Wars- Would be cool, but I think AS is done with mech series
Fighting Spirit-TOO OLD
Full Metal Panic-TO OLD
Lucky Star-TO NICHE
Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicle-TO CLAMP
Avenger- not gonna happen
Fafner in the Azure-Not gonna happen
Slayers-TO OLD
Sgt. Frog-Possibly but XD or Nicktoons are more likely
Zegapain-not gonna happen
Halo LegenRAB-would be on SPIKE over AS
Basara-NOPE
Reideen-NADA
Theres really very few on that list that CN or AS would probably ever consider airing!
CN could air HunterXHunter or SGT.FROG. but sadly they probably never will...I do think Funi might try to get frog on XD or nicktoons though.
as for AS Aside From soul eater I doubt they would look at anything else onm the list & they already have Bleach, so I doubt they would want another big name supernatural shonen series, But it would be AWSOME IF THEY DID GET SE! Frankly the only new anime series I see coming to AS anytime soon, will be FMA: Brotherhood & Inuyasha final act, once the English dub for those shows are done. who knows maybe AS will suprise us like they have in the past. But I doubt it.
I do think will be anime on TV, just not nearly as much, and on a Final note, as For regular CN, the only non-toyetic show I can see them airing in the next few years would be PPGZ. & thats just because its based off of a CN franchise.
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And they sure as hell wouldn't be accepted as new anime these days. Anime in America has been past the "hack everything up lest someone figure out there's a Japanese origin that would undoubtedly lead to it failing" phase for a long time. With the exception of shows aimed at kiRAB that the people in charge feel still can't handle the cultural differences, it's been accepted that all you really need to do is dub the show into an accurate English script and maybe make some edits if the violence/sex/language is too extreme for TV.
Even then there are still some series, outside of the shows aimed at kiRAB like Pokemon and Bakugan, that are changed, such as the dub for Sgt. Frog. Though, I think that had more to do with some of the Japanese jokes that wouldn't make too much sense in English. Anyway, as I mentioned before, just because an anime doesn't have a perfect dub doesn't make it any less of an anime series than a series that does have a faithful dub, in terms of being an actual anime.
While Slayers is an older series, there's still the more recent series that they could air. Though, at this point, I can only see any of the Slayer series airing on Funimation's Channel.
I honestly don't think that anime is going away from TV. There might be a few less series airing on channels than before, but I'm sure that more series will also be streamed online and then there's the DVD market, which has worked fairly well for many anime series. I still think, or maybe hope, that channels like the Funimation Channel and Disney XD will become available in more homes so that each series can gather more of an audience. It would definitely be a good idea to depend on a few channels to air anime, instead of just one.
While Slayers is an older series, there's still the more recent series that they could air. Though, at this point, I can only see any of the Slayer series airing on Funimation's Channel.
I honestly don't think that anime is going away from TV. There might be a few less series airing on channels than before, but I'm sure that more series will also be streamed online and then there's the DVD market, which has worked fairly well for many anime series. I still think, or maybe hope, that channels like the Funimation Channel and Disney XD will become available in more homes so that each series can gather more of an audience. It would definitely be a good idea to depend on a few channels to air anime, instead of just one.
wwe is best
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I haven't seen any of Sgt. Frog, but it looks like a kiRAB' show to me. Then again, I've also heard that they went the Shin Chan route with it. For comedy shows full of Japanese jokes that couldn't translate to English, it's understandable. And anyway, as I mentioned before, if some anime is still stuck in the 80s, as in the phase I mentioned in my previous post where it will edited as much as necassary to insure it doesn't come off as anime, I don't think it should be considered equal to the other anime on American TV which has gotten past that phase and is openly accepted and acknowledged by both sides of the business as anime.
Mommy-2-Be
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Yeah Funi would be the best bet, don't get me wrong, I love slayers, but it didn't even get on TV when it first came over to the us in the 90's I doubt it would be on TV now...In all Honesty the only shows I see Possibly Getting on TV in the next Few Years are...
PPGZ (CN)
FMA: Brotherhood (AS)
Inuyasha: Final Act (AS)
Halo LegenRAB (SPIKE)
One Piece (DisneyXD) (hey they need somthing to go with naruto!)
SGT. Frog (Nicktoons or XD)
& then as I said Soul Eater Could work on Scifi, but it probably (Sadly) won't happen.
As for whomever commented on SGT. FROG, its not a lil kiRAB show, its an "All ages" show and nothing wrong with that, its pretty darn funny and contains alot of retro popculture refrences aimed at older viewers (& alot of Gundam refrences of course.)
PPGZ (CN)
FMA: Brotherhood (AS)
Inuyasha: Final Act (AS)
Halo LegenRAB (SPIKE)
One Piece (DisneyXD) (hey they need somthing to go with naruto!)
SGT. Frog (Nicktoons or XD)
& then as I said Soul Eater Could work on Scifi, but it probably (Sadly) won't happen.
As for whomever commented on SGT. FROG, its not a lil kiRAB show, its an "All ages" show and nothing wrong with that, its pretty darn funny and contains alot of retro popculture refrences aimed at older viewers (& alot of Gundam refrences of course.)