Is it really true that all ratio cheaters eventually get caught?

[Wisegirl]

Pirating apps/games/movies is what it is. I'm under no illusion about that nor is this the point being discussed in this thread. I'm talking about ratio cheats who seem to catch a thrill from what otherwise is easily available, not reliant upon invites and ratio free - namely DDL. That's where my stealing condoms analogy comes in.

What would serve as an interesting counter-point is to hear a rationalisation as to why those who do use cheat clients find it necessary to do so. If the over-whelming answer that floats out is that they just 'have' to be a member of xyz site and it's the only way they can do so because they have a crappy home connection.. well...that's even more lame than stealing condoms.

 

[spawn_14_1999_99]

Yes,thats it.Majority of people who torrent are not hard core torrenters who keep their PC 24*7*365 days.They want "results" in quick succession.Thats the main reason why seedboxes sell like hotcakes and the reason why people tend to cheat if they have no money to shell out for a seedbox.Once people realize the vast diverse of content and quality that private trackers deliver,It is irresistible not to have a bite of it.When trackers make getting even the smallest bit of buffer(or downloading more) like hell under "realistic living" condition,I believe they themselves are the ones igniting the use of seedboxes/Cheats.When we put ourselfs in the shoes of a normal college student or a normal working man,what I say becomes clear.
The way I see it,only uploaders and the people who seed for long periods of time so that others get the files just as they did,deserves thanks.All else are just leechers.To top it all,its people who have slow net connections that seed for longer periods of time.Do you think a guy with seedbox or a fast connection will seed for longer periods of time?As I said before,there is no "good guy" or "bad guy" in BT and never ever can the character of a person be determined by their actions in net.Sucking up and rationalizing that a tracker is not meant for them is just not how "Humans" are,especially when its for free and has no consequences whatsoever for the actions they take in "net".Just Causality determined by the Rules of people who control the tracker.(How ever freakish the rules maybe)

 

[**j3nny**]

Cheating is damn stupid. You will be caught eventually. End of story.

 

[pingpongmaster]

Of course not everyone gets caught, or people wouldn't still be trying it on private trackers. A huge number of them do get caught and banned, and the oh so lovely folks you mentioned in the OP have had several dupe accounts on various sites after being banned, but if that's how they choose to act there's not much you can do about it, it merely speaks to their character.

 

[Laney]

Just checked (after a long time) and I got disabled there... My ratio was good there but it was a pain to keep the ratio. I don't know what kind of "home connection" you have or if you live in Japan but my home connection can't keep an account there without partial leech/seed or without grabbing things in other trackers to seed there to make some ratio.

I have comcap, with their lowest package available. I get 1.5MB down, with ~240KB/s up. Although when I started on BitmeTV I only got ~50KB/s up. It was harder to maintain ratio then, but entirely possible, as I did it. If I jump on a new show with already 100+ seeders, it usually only takes ~24 hours or so to get 1/1 ratio, then a little longer for a small buffer. Not unreasonable IMO.

 

[TheFamilyAccount]

And you still cheat from time to time at what.cd?

You're starting to sound like their staff. :fear:

 

[wagEr]

Actions speak louder than words.

 

[Thomas Suffocate]

Totally random related question. Are you still a member there? I'm not trying to make you out to be a hypocrite, I'm just trying to understand the full picture.

No.I left that place when my comments started getting deleted/edited to their liking.

 

[hooka]

New way to cheat gets busted,Its an endless loop.

P.S:A piece of my mind on TPS.What it publishes shouldn't be taken as it is.It is what everything a fucked up place can be.Its been run by certain people who imposes their set of rules,"mind set" and practices gestapo methods against the members.They should be the last ones who should be talking about Rules,Morals etc.A decent place which got fucked up by certain power freaks with fucked up ego and no sense of morals or proper etiquette.All that is left in that forum are collectors and new members who join TPS who dont know how fucked up the place really is.

 

[No Name Girl]

when I started on BitmeTV I only got ~50KB/s up. It was harder to maintain ratio then, but entirely possible, as I did it.

If you check my post again you'll see I also had a good ratio there. It was just harder then it was supposed to be in my opinion. And no way I would grab every new show only because they had a 100+ "leechers". I would like to feel free to grab what I wanted to grab, including old tv shows and series and I couldn't handle that without MUCH effort.

The thing is... after being a user at trackers like IPT (with some great speeds) and BCG (with huge content) for some time, I don't see the point in being part of a tracker like Bitme.tv.
And I don't see why someone would decide to cheat and risk their accounts at trackers like BCG and IPT simply because you don't need to cheat to survive there. At the same time, someone could give you plenty of "good" motives to cheat in other hard-to-seed trackers.

I can't even see the point for spending more money with seedboxes =/
I think that only "professional" uploaders should use seedboxes and hence, those should also receive support from the trackers.

Ah, those are just newbie' ideas anyway so don't take it too serious... =/

 

[Phillip K]

The way I look at it, people who can't stand the hassle of seeding can bypass the whole torrent site route and just get their stuff through DDL. It is completely doable with limited loss of quality, variety ,speed and in the process there are no rules to worry about.

Why ratio-cheats need to create this whole system of complexity to snatch a few files they can otherwise get hassle-free from DDL is the most amusing part in all of this. Ratio-cheats enjoy the rush of just that: Cheating and getting away with it. It's like walking into wal-mart, palming something, breezing past store security and going.. woo-hoo Look at how good I am.

There are far way more interesting ways available in life to boost one's self-esteem or the 'life can be interesting' factor. Getting all caught up in the game of trying to beat a torrent sites stat's system is right up there with stealing condoms from wal-mart.

Totally lame.....

 

[Georgia T]

Morality issues aside, is ratio cheating as much of an issue today as it was even just a couple of years ago?

Even just a few years ago home connections were pretty much the norm, and seedboxes were rare. With those conditions, if someone wasn't contributing their fair share, then the whole swarm suffered. Nowadays with the proliferation of 100mb seedboxes, and with Gbit boxes becoming more popular, if a small percentage of a swarm is only leeching and not contributing any upload to the swarm would it even make a difference in the overall swarm speed?

 

[danikamae beroñas]

I didn't even bother trying to get back in, until exactly one year ago someone PMed me asking me if I wanted an invite. He said he didn't know anyone else to give it to, and that he'd be honored to have me on his invite tree. Great guy. I took it, registered, and that account remains enabled to this day..

did you let him know about your previously banned account?

 

[Bride2Be 10-17-09]

if a small percentage of a swarm is only leeching and not contributing any upload to the swarm would it even make a difference in the overall swarm speed?

No but at least they are being honest about it, and will seed for longer in order to upload something on it, rather than cheat and the torrent dieing afer a week or so.

You cant have your cake and eat it, most crave for fast speed, you get that with seed boxes, then they crave for retention of older stuff, just incase, but they dont want to seed what they download, they just cheat, so when torrents die quick, its not a very good tracker as it has no retention. you cant expect seedboxes to stay on torrents for months, and if they did, they would still get blamed for pinching all th bw from normal users for months, but then you get old torrents that are slow, because the SB members have jumped off, the cheaters have cheated their ratio so they can jump off, only ones that are left on are the slow stragglers, so the tracker has good retention but slow speed. trackers cant win, its a fine balancing act, and most of us fuck it up, because there is no way to have.

Fast new torrents
Fast old torrents
Great retention.
+ratio for everyone

without someone or other complaining about something or other.

all you have to do is leave your torrent seeding, its not hard, even a monkey could do it (after a human set it up for him).

PS no all cheaters do not get caught, they seed slowly, which i have never undertood, if you seed slowly cheating, you may as well upload properly.

 

[shafiqdms1]

No not all ratio cheaters get caught because some cheaters cheat with their "real" connection & then it

 

[Ohyou know.]

Its a matter of perspective.You find it justifiable(?) and ok(?) to pirate stuff and cheaters find it justifiable and ok for cheating/trading in a system created by Pirates.The margin is drawn by rules.Nothing more,Nothing less.Cheaters will do what they do,Trackers will do what they do.

If the over-whelming answer that floats out is that they just 'have' to be a member of xyz site and it's the only way they can do so because they have a crappy home connection.. well...that's even more lame than stealing condoms.

Now thats interesting.Are you saying people who have crap home connection shouldnt join sites they cant maintain an "acceptable" ratio?

 

[Rockin Chocolate]

did you let him know about your previously banned account?

He already knew.

 

[Canteen]

And I don't see why someone would decide to cheat and risk their accounts at trackers like BCG and IPT simply because you don't need to cheat to survive there.

I totally agree with that!

You don't even need to keep a ratio on BCG, because all you have to do is leave the torrent you've actually downloaded, the seedpoint system will do the rest!
Wait until it's 1:0 and that's it. If every torrent ratio is 1.0 ,than your global ratio is 1.0! Why do you need then buffer? For nothing!

 

[Liza F]

I didn't take the time to read all this thread but in my point of view, those who try to keep an over buffered account with its seed boxes in any tracker are as bad as those who decide to cheat.

Well, actually I think I prefer cheaters... At least they leave me some room to seed =P
Btw, I have an account in a great tracker that I simply can't use (and I don't use) because it's impossible for me to survive there unless I "part-seed", but that's not worth the effort. Damn seed boxes when they're not wisely used!

ps.: I almost got banned from one of my favorite trackers for inviting a cheater (who promissed he woudn't cheat)... But that is easy to solve. Simply don't invite people to private trackers anymore! =/

 

[Tech]

Cheaters dont play by their rules.I thought it was obvious.And from a cheaters pov,why should he leave an organized and content rich site when he can get what he want.

If your hypothetical user takes this attitude toward cheating, then he would probably cheat regardless of whether it was easy or hard to keep ratio on BMTV. In the post I was replying to, you seemed to be asking whether the difficulty of keeping ratio on BMTV leaves home users with no alternative but to cheat. This is not the case. If you don't want to cheat, you have viable options. If want to cheat, then just do it and face the consequences. Don't try to dress it up and pretend that you were forced into cheating by BMTV.