Is invite trading really that bad?

I think the reason that people new to the torrent game think trading is the norm and is ok can pretty much can be attributed to what you have been told your whole life, there is no such thing as a free lunch...but I guess in the case of torrents the best things in life are free...until they hound you to donate and threaten to shut the place down :-P
 
Copyright infringement (or copyright violation) is the unauthorized or prohibited use of works covered by copyright law, in a way that violates one of the copyright owner's exclusive rights, such as the right to reproduce or perform the copyrighted work, or to make derivative works.
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Comparison to theft
Further information: Dowling v. United States (1985)

Copyright infringement is often equated with theft, for instance in the title of the No Electronic Theft Act of 1997, in Vice President Joe Biden's 2010 statement in an official speech showcasing the Obama-administration IP policy that "file-sharing is theft", and in the Digital Britain report which calls it "effectively a civil form of theft"[56]; but in fact it has major legal differences.

Courts have distinguished between copyright infringement and theft, holding, for instance, in the United States Supreme Court case Dowling v. United States (1985) that bootleg phonorecords did not (for the purpose of the case) constitute stolen property, and writing:

interference with copyright does not easily equate with theft, conversion, or fraud. The Copyright Act even employs a separate term of art to define one who misappropriates a copyright: ... 'an infringer of the copyright.' ...

The infringer invades a statutorily defined province guaranteed to the copyright holder alone. But he does not assume physical control over the copyright; nor does he wholly deprive its owner of its use. While one may colloquially link infringement with some general notion of wrongful appropriation, infringement plainly implicates a more complex set of property interests than does run-of-the-mill theft, conversion, or fraud.
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You need to get over the idea that people does anything illegal in the open, thats not how trading works.

Trading is that you give someone an invite to a site, but then the person that got in there want to say thanks and then offer you an invite to a site he knows. And it is all in the pm's. The public forums know nothing.

So why doesn't I have Bitme with this theory? Because they are all a bunch of douchebags.
 
Invite trading is OK as long as you don't get caught and as long as you don't trade with assholes. The latter seems to be the main problem.
 
See my reply on page 1. But as you've no doubt noticed I have a strong moral viewpoint on these sorts of things and an innate distaste for dishonesty. If some kid with a keyboard (i.e. me) can join all these sites without any trouble (with one or two exceptions), anyone else can do so as well without resorting to this bullshit.

IdolEyes787 said:
My Dad was big in the NDP .True story.:mellow:
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So he's probably been in close proximity to Harper at some point? I dunno if I'd be able to resist giving him a square kick to the nuts if it was me.

Cinephilia said:
yes, that's called a vicious circle. the question is who do you expect to put an end to this tendency ? ...traders ?
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Making invites more readily accessible only stops one type of trader, the type that actually wants to become a member and use the site. It won't do shit to prevent the rejoins from the banned, invite sellers, those that trade for sport, etc.
 
1000possibleclaws said:
What are the good kind of traders in your eyes? I did not know you supported certain kinds of trades. :O
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Even though it goes against everything most trackers set rules about, I would rather someone trade and use the site and be active (because they actually wanted to be a member) unlike the person before them that simply had the account to trade with. I would have to say this would qualify as a good trade, at least on one side. The reality is that not everyone has the communication, personal skills, or smarts to make friends and get invited to some sites.

The other side of reality is, that if staff find out that you traded, regardless of your activity, you are gonna get banned. Of course there are sites that make exceptions (usually cause you have given them money) but it is for the most part rare.
 
pone44 said:
I scratched my 'best of Michal Bolton' CD:dabs:. Why can't i just download it or is it morally correct to go buy another copy?
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I scratched and destroyed my LCD monitor and is on the way to break in and take another LCD monitor from the vendors shop.And oh by the way if you have been reading this thread its not me who has moral conflicts here.You can do what you want just like me. :)

ca_aok said:
Unfortunately I'm done with our little buddy who loves contradicting his own arguments in each new reply
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yea more like since you cant pull the moral card anymore,you dont have anything else to say except mock around to get some kick out of it.pathetic.
And since most of the stuff is as you mentioned is in "shades of gray".It is easy to dodge by saying one statement is contradicting the other when I have given explanation for each argument I have made.
Anyway I am off to sleep,its 1:17am here.GN
 
Trading will never die down completley.... Just type in your favorite tracker.... and then type "invite" afterward.

What do you get?

1-2 people trying to get an invite legitimately (with a bad request usually), and then 6 results of people trading invites. And succeeding.
The 2 legit requests are usually on yahoo answers, which you find is worthless, and the 6 are on trading/selling websites....
This is how I originally got myself tied up with Torrent invites, as it was the first dedicated torrent forum I found.

The problem is private trackers that only allow people to join via invites leave people searching for a way to get in.
Their is no guidance on how to get an invite when you type in your dream tracker, only a username and password box....
 
Having been around for a while, but just not too "involved" my view is this.
Trading invites is great- it means, I sell my xbox and I don't need BCG anymore, but I want waffles, so I trade with someone for waffles, cos he's just bought my xbox! Fantastic everyones happy, staff are happy that the account is still used, I;m happy cos I have somewhere to download music from!

it's like communism, it's a great idea, but doesn't work out so well.
3 problems-
1) I trade for a waffles invite, from blackcats, and get into waffles, and think I only need to seed for x amount of days, or while I can, and can download whatever I want, end up banned in 3 days, because I don't know how it works.

2) elitest site owners frowning upon trading because that means everyone can get into their "rare" site if they allow people to trade invites, therefore decreasing value.

and 3- the reason I don't trade. People are *****, they will lie, cheat and steal to get their own way, and not care what happens to you. if I trade a BCG acc for a waffles acc, cos I want to use it, for all I know, he could have it at one album is going to put me into a leecher status or the equilovent, and it's the last chance I have, so I get banned, lose the account and he's ****** off with my account, so I'm left with nothing, and BCG is going to get fucked over by that guy again!

If everyone was honest, there'd be no problem with trading.

(sorry for using BCG as an example stoi, I saw you and BCG was the first tat came to mind)
 
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