Is invite trading really that bad?

[♥i have an answer♥]

Actually no it isn't, I have downloaded CD's from the net and after listening to them decided I liked them and then went out and bought the CD (therefore showing my support for the artist). So no, not "exactly" a lost sale.

 

[AJD13]

I am saying that I am not the type of person that gives makes a promise and doesn't follow through. What does that have to do with my personality and who are you to judge?

From this you seem to have too little personality. You SHOULD always do what you believe suits best your needs/interests. Never act like a robot who's told by someone else to do a certain thing.

Some people obey the rules because they are simply obediant or really believe rules must be respected(cause they are the right thing to do). But there are also people who take a look at some rules and say some are crap and they also act in consequence.

Thanks but you preaching to the choir.
I could give a sh8t about trading invites. I do not hate those who do! It is their choice.

 

[Jose S]

yesno, simply put. there are two sides to everything, like your butt, it has two cheeks, when you get tired of sitting on the right one you switch to the left one. Or if your butt get's tired in general you stand. It will never end.

Let's discuss undercover bittorrent agents, and exposing them, they need to die. It's a bunch of bullshit when you say you don't have to lick ass to get known, it's quite the opposite. Mod's do it all the time to see how much more irritated they can get their e-penis, and regular users do it to become mods because they see by example and think they are going to get a bigger e-penis. haha.

So my 2 cents is I feel that you should do it, try it for fun, trade a demonoid invite. I did it just to see what responses I would get and who was responding (hello, isn't that the same shit you mod's do to ban people, oh yeah, but you get new user names), yes I did get banned from two trackers, only because a small punk was kissing ass, but it's ok, I have moved on, hell, I may even be back with those trackers, but I leave that for that punk to figure out and my signature to love always. ~

@bigdaddydude - how the f**k do you even have the patience to sit in front of a computer? Shouldn't you be at the gym lifting weights, getting pumped up, watching your muscles grow? LOL.

 

[HRH Princess Deb]

it may be considered spam

but i am very happy with my new connection



just wanted to share my happiness with my some friends here

such an unlimited connection cost 1000 $ per month here in India, but this is my office net connection, which is great.

I know some traders who trade to earn their school fees and they hack things and sell it for earing their livelihood i call them good traders, but they are good at heart also and help people who cannot afford some things. i consider them to be good people.

this world is very big, with lot of diversity

bumrocks very well said, hats off to u, just hearing name of trader or cheater we should not over react, its better we know the situation and the person first, moreover this whole world runs on trade one way or another, and generally ever normal person cheats somewhere in his real life let it be exams or pickpocketing or using pirated things or anything else, why overreact at such things, let people decide what is good for them and what not.

just dont be g ready and dont be selfish, moreover help people who are really in need of.

dont waste time in stating what is right and wrong for others, we should decide what is right and wrong for us and our friends and our loved once.

just dont jump to conclusion without being too sure of things, their are every chances of ourself to be wrong under these conditions.

 

[R.status]

Thanks for totally hijacking my thread guys :dabs:

(to be honest I don't mind this angsty turn of events one bit )

 

[Mel M]

I think you all are glossing over one huge detail. Pone is a Micheal Bolton fan. :O

 

[★☆elyon★☆]

I scratched my 'best of Michal Bolton' CD:dabs:. Why can't i just download it or is it morally correct to go buy another copy?

Yes every download is not a sale.If people had to buy every Music CD/Movie DVD out there,many just wont buy at all and just buy the stuff they are interested in buying.But that dosent give you the license to go around making copies now does it?

 

[KatieKat]

If it wasn't for the traders and sellers, most sites wouldn't feel the need to try and limit invites as they do. And of course, because of the limited invites, traders and sellers become more prevalent.

yes, that's called a vicious circle. the question is who do you expect to put an end to this tendency ? ...traders ?

 

[.:FrEe FrOm EvRythInG:.]

Oh no.Dont escape the question please.You feel http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Copyright+infringement is okay but at the same time trading/cheating on a system built upon it is morally wrong.I say your sense of morality is whacked.And how can you even begin to justify downloading songs/movies/games without paying for the work done by the artists/company.Do you think they are slaves who work for you and deserve to be paid only if they excel from normal?

As I said, not necessary for pretty much any site

Made it bold

As I said, not necessary for pretty much any site. The truth of the matter is, traders are too lazy to write anything more than a few words, too lazy to fill out an application or take an interview, and too lazy to give anything back to any site they join.

So are collectors any good?

Fucking over the people who're risking their asses so that you can download free stuff might be fine for you, that's your call.

How are traders fucking over people?

 

[LeadaLegacy]

Sorry for making one last offtopic post in this thread.


Yea thats exactly what I am saying.Instead of mixing moral principles,people should see rules as rules.Nothing more,nothing less.

but i still cant see just because the tracker hosts copywrite material, gives members the right, to break the tracker rules that the copywrite material is on (actually the tracker doesnt even host the stuff, the members do), never ever understood that one i am afraid.

I dint say that.

 

[-VQ35DE-]

You can use that exact same logic to not even giveaway invites... :dry:

Very true, not to mention many trackers forbid public giveaways, which makes them as disallowed as trading.

 

[Yahootime!]

Read the Rules on any site (you did agree to do so before joining didn't you?), and you'll see the problem. It's clearly wrong. You might start out oblivious, but when the first ban rolls around, you'd figure it out pretty quick.

One of the most common rules:

"You must have legal rights to the file you are downloading."


Other than that bs rules part at the end your post makes a good deal of sense. While trackers network to some extent, I'd still think users would behave better if all their accounts had the same nick attached to them. Trading accounts just makes them more disposable which can't be great. Oink was the best tracker of its time, despite allowing trading. TTi has always been on par with any other 0day site that has not allowed trading. Would these sites have been even better had they disallowed trading? There is for sure a negative impact of trading, but judging from Oink I am somewhat doubtful about how many people actually degrade into collectors and scumbags, or whether that number is even relevant. If trading has infact died off everywhere and not just here, I wonder what positive effects it would have had over the past few years. I guess its doubtful anywhere could pinpoint anything with all the other factors involved.

 

[SGL]

"Yeah you're a beautiful consumer,
and I don't want to move back home.
So download all the songs we wrote
and hype it up with some bullshit quotes.
Yeah, we're on a roll." - Kristian Hallbert

 

[XxkaytiexX]

just dont jump to conclusion without being too sure of things, their are every chances of ourself to be wrong under these conditions.

So what you are basically saying is that we should just ignore the whole purpose of the internet?

 

[Natalie]

many trackers forbid public giveaways, which makes them as disallowed as trading.

And yet, only one tracker's staff approached me about a public giveaway I had; promised me I will never have invite privileges again, and then proceeded to give me two invites about a week ago (I can only assume that it's because both my previous invitees are in great standing status wise).

All I'm trying to say is I'm on Speedo's side in this particular instance. Trackers need fresh blood, and if you're going to restrict people to inviting just their very exclusive group of friends, then all you'll end up with is Tard1 inviting Tard2 and Tard3 to 600 different trackers (not that that already doesn't happen, but on the flip side, there is member variety on trackers).

EDIT: Not to mention that I have only one real life friend interested in torrenting (two, soon enough, but the second I met through torrenting) and I'm not about to impose my invites on him just so I can say I did him/the tracker a favor. He's content with TL, and I assume with very few exceptions, most people don't have real life friends that go around saying "FTN is my dream tracker let's hunt it down."

 

[Con Asskicker]

Gatorade works?
It's something I've never thought trying. Usually a small and very cold beer solves the problem.

 

[haley p]

Unfortunately I'm done with our little buddy who loves contradicting his own arguments in each new reply

I scratched my 'best of Michal Bolton' CD

. Why can't i just download it or is it morally correct to go buy another copy?

Depending on your country's law, that's actually legal. But of course, you're actually a thief for doing so. You should've clearly bought a backup copy at the time.

 

[Say I Am You]

OK you know that I'm basically against trading purely from the standpoint that one should leave up to their word but seriously forgive my ignorance and explain to me again, multiple accounts aside, exactly how a traded account is necessarily any more of a liability to a tracker than a "normal" one?
Or is it all about the multiple accounts and the selling or is it the fact that "bad" members ( are there other ways to be bad besides hit and running )that have abused their privileges have ( by taking someone else's account but then it's not about invites ) an easy way to gain access again?

Obviously the only certain and lasting solution would be to make everything "non-exclusive" but that's Socialist talk and obviously not in line with the whole principle behind the internet.:mellow:

Sounds like it's right out of Stalin's mouth, comrade.

My Dad was big in the NDP .True story.:mellow:

 

[calilove3456]

One of the most common rules:

"You must have legal rights to the file you are downloading."

This is a common argument from rulebreakers, and a silly one at that. It's more of a disclaimer than a rule, and everyone is aware that it's only put there for the fimsy pretense in case of legal action against the site. It's sort of like drug users to experiment with Research Chemicals (aka Designer Drugs). These are legal drugs made by slightly altering current illegal drugs in order to bend the rules. You can buy them from large online vendors and in the case of incense (the JWH family usually) you can even buy them in smoke shops. However, they all have the disclaimer "Not sold for human consumption", because as soon as something is sold for human consumption the rules become insanely strict.

No one is buying these chemicals to "study their effects", they're buying them because they're legal chemicals that get you high, despite being "Not for human consumption". It's just a flimsy pretense to protect the vendors.

Regarding OiNK, etc. The BT landscape was different then compared to what it is now. It's not really fair to say their success was helped or hindered by trading, especially since they're no longer around. What.cd has far surpassed OiNK in everything but the size of its memberbase, and it takes a hard line against the undesirables.

 

[Callum J]

well i am probably one of those staff that hates anti traders more than traders (or at least with equal measure lol) I cant stand ass kissing, and you can see it a mile off, we are not all gullable you know, we have got minds of our own, and can see a prospective good staffer without them falling over backwards to help (with finding traders etc).

The bottom line is though, the rules of the tracker say no trading, and you trade, and they catch you, then you are going to get burnt, the trick is not to get caught lol