Income up 35%, make 8.9 billion in 6 months, cut 25,000 jobs!

It's not "illogical for a business to lobby congress for higher taxes" ... it would be illogical for them to do that AND not lobby congress for a waiver or exemption.

See: Obamacare.
 
because its giving money to companies.

I don't know how to say it any simpler than that.

its not like "oh, heres an incentive to invest. any extra dollars you make you won't have to pay taxes on"

nor is it " boy you are just scraping by. would a tax break help out?"

its a company that is already profitable getting a tax break, and that company knowing exactly how much savings they don't need to set aside for overhead. its the same thing as handing someone a money bag full of bills, only you have an iv of right wing euphanism/bullshit that makes your common sense not work.

something tells me the business was making money if the office lights were on.

I mean, you guys don't believe in taxes for corporations.

super.

but i go back to the old saying. guns butter and tax cuts. can't have em all.
 
So would you be in favor of eliminating all special deductions but reducing the up front corporate tax rates by an equivalent amount across the board? E.g. the 15% bracket might drop to 10% and the 35% bracket might drop to 32%. Or whatever.
 
don't go the route of the matrix on this one.

they do exist. if i work for one, they exist. If I have a business card with their logo that says "regional sales manager", they do exist somehow, somewhere in reality. man. that iv drip must be working overtime for you.

i would rather pay high prices. because trust me. do you really think businesses are just going to give that tax break back to consumers? bullshit. they paid for the lobbyists and they are going to make money.

what kind of fool do you think I am? I know how this shit works. if we can find a way to save our client 100,000 dollars we offer him 20 and keep 80.
 
this isnt a goddamn focus group here.

i would be in favor of raising taxes.

as in, the overall amount.

you can raise my taxes too. I don't care.

its completely retarded to me that we aren't raising any taxes on anyone, but are only going to cut spending.

as if spending cutting are adorable bunnies for jobs, but somehow tax increases is the goddamn grim reaper himself.
 
need I remind you that you're one of those "not logical people"?




I just don't understand you and the others who keep bitching and moaning about the established system yet deep down inside you can't shake your partisan ways and you end up supporting the status quo in the end. You try so hard to try and blame one side for doing something yet try like hell to defend the other side for doing the same thing.

In other worRAB, you're really bitching about yourself for continually supporting the shit you're bitching about.
 
Tom I chased you around in like 3 threaRAB with a question regarding taxes but you kept jumping ship right when I got in.

To summarize what are your opinions on the sentiment on the following:

I have no problem with raising taxes after serious ( more serious than the recent bill ) efforts have been taken to pay down our national debt. Until that point the government has a spending problem and by giving them more money I fear we are setting up a moral hazard.

So in short: government makes a hard line on the debt for example 100% of the tax increase go towarRAB debt reductions. Until something similar happens I personally cannot come to terms with a tax increase that will just further our problems

And in the other threaRAB I explained how I know it's is a practical and reasonable to increase taxes to fund the government , I just have moral problems with the enRAB justify the means even in an economic sense
 
Just to bounce around your counter-intuitive claim, every business is a mom-and-pop. Every person who works for an immensely profitable company should up and leave when things are going well. Perhaps in your eyes, the employees there should organize to ensure an orderly exodus?

Is that how you see it?

Really????
 
are you really trying to compare fiscal stimulus given to millions of americans to jump start an economy versus giving away special loopholes to select companies?

when those companies and the other organizations that would benefit from it paid a bunch of lobbyists to convince them it was a good idea?

"hey congressman-- do you want to go to the football game this weekend? your a big notre dame fan, right?"
 
I understand that. But that is not my argument.

My argument is that working people who support a political system that encourages this type of corporate behavior are in fact idiots.

Working people doing that via their votes would make about the same amount of sense as if businesses were to lobby congress for higher taxes and more worker rights.

That is my point.
 
No they aren't. BGE Home isn't a "Mom and pop shop". They are a spin off from a regulated public utility company. There is nothing "Mom and Pop" about them.

In the world of post 2001 bank bailouts, there aren't really any more "Mom and Pop" banks out there ... not with all the regulations that are in place on banks.

Sure, I'm sure there are a few examples where you can argue may be, but the reality is, HSBC isn't one and ultimately, it's the employees CHOICE to work for a "Mega Bank" vs a "Mom and Pop Bank". Ultimately, it is the employee who made a bad choice.


THAT is how I see it.
 
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