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I'm Giving Up On Nokia Until September!
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oakbootoke
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appoo lol
beth.12323
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coundlt have said it better
I was posting on a Wii, so I didn't feel like going into TOO much detail, but that's one of the many reasons I traded in my video iPod for a Zen Vision M.
-The music quality is noticeably better between the two, and I'm not kidding. After transferring the same MP3's to my Zen and iPod, I could hear more detail from songs on the Zen than on the iPod. I couldn't believe I had been using such a low quality player after that.
-iPods require videos to be converted, and once they are, they look terrible. The Zen allows avi files to be transferred via drag and drop and they play flawlessly unless they're HD. Converting non-avi files to avi can be done with any converter without any quality loss. So not only does it look great on the Zen, but TV-out looks beautiful on a normal TV as well, instead of blocky and gross on the iPod.
-On the subject of TV-out, the Zen uses a standard TV-out cable you can get anywhere, versus the ridiculously expensive accessory that connects to the bottom of the iPod.
-The Zen has a 264K screen versus the 65K screen on the iPod.
-The Zen's UI is customizable, whereas you can only reorder your menus with an iPod.
-The Zen's battery life is better by a few hours than the iPod.
-You can delete files directly with the Zen alone instead of having to connect to iTunes on a PC/Mac and delete them from there.
-You can protect folders with a password on the Zen. Nothing like this at all on an iPod.
-Pictures aren't resized or cropped to fit the Zen's screen like an iPod; your raw photos are synced and there are tons of viewing options to play around with them appropriately.
I could keep going, but this entire post is WAAAAY off topic.
-The music quality is noticeably better between the two, and I'm not kidding. After transferring the same MP3's to my Zen and iPod, I could hear more detail from songs on the Zen than on the iPod. I couldn't believe I had been using such a low quality player after that.
-iPods require videos to be converted, and once they are, they look terrible. The Zen allows avi files to be transferred via drag and drop and they play flawlessly unless they're HD. Converting non-avi files to avi can be done with any converter without any quality loss. So not only does it look great on the Zen, but TV-out looks beautiful on a normal TV as well, instead of blocky and gross on the iPod.
-On the subject of TV-out, the Zen uses a standard TV-out cable you can get anywhere, versus the ridiculously expensive accessory that connects to the bottom of the iPod.
-The Zen has a 264K screen versus the 65K screen on the iPod.
-The Zen's UI is customizable, whereas you can only reorder your menus with an iPod.
-The Zen's battery life is better by a few hours than the iPod.
-You can delete files directly with the Zen alone instead of having to connect to iTunes on a PC/Mac and delete them from there.
-You can protect folders with a password on the Zen. Nothing like this at all on an iPod.
-Pictures aren't resized or cropped to fit the Zen's screen like an iPod; your raw photos are synced and there are tons of viewing options to play around with them appropriately.
I could keep going, but this entire post is WAAAAY off topic.
Amaya Sakaruta
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These two are my big issues with iPod. It is plain dumb to make iPod read only For the same reason two way sync is not possible, it is always laptop -> iPod And what is the point in resizing when we want to keep iPod as a backup of pics?
This alone tells us how apple is creative & 'smart'
This alone tells us how apple is creative & 'smart'
I think this is absolutely the key..
If these devices take off for LG and Samsung, I hope to hell they'll follow them up with more devices. Because Nokia has utterly and totally lost the plot when it comes to making smartphones.
Before I get flamed for that last sentence, let me explain my rationale for saying that. Nokia seems to be either holding steady or reducing the amount of RAM in each phone they release. 20MB of RAM (or less!) to run your applications in a modern smartphone is embarrassing. There's no excuse for this.
It's even worse when you consider that small amount of RAM is being tasked to run a browser that displays webpages in a manner which has no business existing on a phone. Why the hell did Nokia think it would be a good idea to force people to scroll in 4 directions and zoom in/out to look at a webpage on a phone? The browser is good for one thing, and one thing only, and that is impressing people. Once you sit down and actually depend on the thing and have to use the thing, you'll find yourself heading over to mini.opera.com faster than you can blink.
The email application is a joke. It was bad in 2003. It's worse today. You still can't save unknown attachments without using 3rd party software. Note to Nokia: I may want to save these attachments to my memory card and then copy them over to my PC using the whole 'USB Mass Storage' thing you've so kindly provided in your phones. Look into this.
Someone at Nokia, please, please, please look at the contacts app in Windows Mobile and clone it. You did a sort of good job cloning the Today screen. Don't stop at one idea.
So my hope is that Motorola (it is Moto I think, not Samsung) and LG look at the existing S60 devices out there, notice what blows on them, beef up the RAM, license Opera, bury the Nokia Web Browser Deep-In-A-Subfolder-That-Mortals-Dare-Not-Enter, and make a great smartphone. And leave the Multimedia Device bits and pieces to Nokia.
If these devices take off for LG and Samsung, I hope to hell they'll follow them up with more devices. Because Nokia has utterly and totally lost the plot when it comes to making smartphones.
Before I get flamed for that last sentence, let me explain my rationale for saying that. Nokia seems to be either holding steady or reducing the amount of RAM in each phone they release. 20MB of RAM (or less!) to run your applications in a modern smartphone is embarrassing. There's no excuse for this.
It's even worse when you consider that small amount of RAM is being tasked to run a browser that displays webpages in a manner which has no business existing on a phone. Why the hell did Nokia think it would be a good idea to force people to scroll in 4 directions and zoom in/out to look at a webpage on a phone? The browser is good for one thing, and one thing only, and that is impressing people. Once you sit down and actually depend on the thing and have to use the thing, you'll find yourself heading over to mini.opera.com faster than you can blink.
The email application is a joke. It was bad in 2003. It's worse today. You still can't save unknown attachments without using 3rd party software. Note to Nokia: I may want to save these attachments to my memory card and then copy them over to my PC using the whole 'USB Mass Storage' thing you've so kindly provided in your phones. Look into this.
Someone at Nokia, please, please, please look at the contacts app in Windows Mobile and clone it. You did a sort of good job cloning the Today screen. Don't stop at one idea.
So my hope is that Motorola (it is Moto I think, not Samsung) and LG look at the existing S60 devices out there, notice what blows on them, beef up the RAM, license Opera, bury the Nokia Web Browser Deep-In-A-Subfolder-That-Mortals-Dare-Not-Enter, and make a great smartphone. And leave the Multimedia Device bits and pieces to Nokia.
*just my opinion*
I think nokia is in a real catch 22 in regard to their us business, they have to deal with communist operators(Cing, verizon and not to be left out t-mo is well on its way to joining that list) locking out third party apps and limiting the way the mobile web can be used, (ultimately useless in the long run, but yet another way for the operators to gain more control), lets face it the usa's idea of mobile phone service is greatly different than say europe's or japan's the free phone and cheap crap(i.e. razr) is the norm here while the rest of the world has a little better taste, I use t-mo in germany extensively and the list of series 60 device's (n series especially) is more the norm than not, in italia the same. Even the s40 5300 is selling like wildfire in germany and its not crippled at all. aside from hofo'ers who in the usa will buy an unlocked s60 device use it how its meant to be used and enjoy it boatloads( ) In the uk germany and a few other parts of europe t-mo has something called web-n-walk mostly on nokia s60(as well as other mobiles) where they use a version of opera like mini but customized to t-mo and allow for download of any third party app regardless of what it does(even porn) with out the restriction of the operator nokia has flourished outside of the usa so until that happens here I don't think we will see nokia's postion change any even as they are re-organizing here yet again. I hope I am wrong and at least t-mo will use their european expertise and release web -n-walk here with their roll out of 3g because lets face it wi-max in any meaningful mobile form is a ways off and att is not the answer for nokia here (just look at the n75 and n80 debacle) and I hope more than anything we get a 1700/2100 3g version of the n95(the real iphone). I apologize for the LOOOONG rant. ciao
I think nokia is in a real catch 22 in regard to their us business, they have to deal with communist operators(Cing, verizon and not to be left out t-mo is well on its way to joining that list) locking out third party apps and limiting the way the mobile web can be used, (ultimately useless in the long run, but yet another way for the operators to gain more control), lets face it the usa's idea of mobile phone service is greatly different than say europe's or japan's the free phone and cheap crap(i.e. razr) is the norm here while the rest of the world has a little better taste, I use t-mo in germany extensively and the list of series 60 device's (n series especially) is more the norm than not, in italia the same. Even the s40 5300 is selling like wildfire in germany and its not crippled at all. aside from hofo'ers who in the usa will buy an unlocked s60 device use it how its meant to be used and enjoy it boatloads( ) In the uk germany and a few other parts of europe t-mo has something called web-n-walk mostly on nokia s60(as well as other mobiles) where they use a version of opera like mini but customized to t-mo and allow for download of any third party app regardless of what it does(even porn) with out the restriction of the operator nokia has flourished outside of the usa so until that happens here I don't think we will see nokia's postion change any even as they are re-organizing here yet again. I hope I am wrong and at least t-mo will use their european expertise and release web -n-walk here with their roll out of 3g because lets face it wi-max in any meaningful mobile form is a ways off and att is not the answer for nokia here (just look at the n75 and n80 debacle) and I hope more than anything we get a 1700/2100 3g version of the n95(the real iphone). I apologize for the LOOOONG rant. ciao
The Lord Therion
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thats what iam calling it...more pda than phone!!