ideal kitchen

Steve Pope wrote:

Which is/was a direct function of the warped mindset that tried to turn
a home into an investment instrument, not to live in, but to get rich
from.


You're partly correct, however the reality is that the horrid high
density high profit developments are where the prices have plummeted,
while the quality built homes "in the middle of nowhere" have maintained
their prices.


Certainly not when the entire house is sited on a postage stamp that is
about 500 square feet larger than the house footprint.


There is nothing wrong with a "overdesigned" kitchen - if you are
actually living in the house long term, are enjoying your kitchen and
can afford it. If you "overdesigned" your kitchen with the idea of
recouping some multiple of it's cost when you sell the house in a year
or two, couldn't afford it, and then end up upside down when the bubble
bursts, that is a problem.

Even the idea of being "upside down" in your home isn't a true problem,
as long as you purchased a home that you could afford and plan to live
there long term. All this means is you didn't get a great deal on the
place, but if you can still pay your mortgage this shouldn't cause you
to loose sleep.

It's theoretical money lost that has no true meaning until you actually
are selling the house, and if that time is a decade or more off there is
no reason to care what the house is theoretically worth at the present
time. It's little different than buying an item at the store and then
seeing it on sale a month later, you didn't get the best possible deal,
but you determined that the price was acceptable at the time you
purchased the item.
 
we worked in three foot clearances for every walk way in the house. oven
considerations are really serious, the dh does most of the cooking and he
has some back issues from time to time, so it can't be too high or too low,
originally i wanted built in double ovens, but after the sticker shock wore
off we started looking at the practicle, and we have decided against that
and a microwave above the stove as well.

Lee
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i am leaning towards linolium for some areas, and even though he thinks it
will probably bother him later on he wants wood or wood composite in the
bedroom, the only tile i am looking at is on the sun porch at the doors,
and maybe in the bathrooms, but am not sure about the bathrooms yet, Lee
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Do they still make "linoleum' flooring in the USA, Lee....It is long gone
from Oz

BB
 
Pete C. wrote:

Is a huge amount of work if you do it yourself, and if you hire
professionals it costs almost as much as buying new cabinets.


It is if you replace laminate with a better surface.


New appliances that are good cost many thousands. And, in a kitchen like
mine where everything is built in and highly designed, it is very difficult
to simply replace an appliance. Trust me, we've had to replace the DW,
fridge, and wall ovens, and of the three only the DW didn't require taking
apart the cabinetry and klugy work-arounds.


It is possible, but not in this case. We also need a new floor, so this is
the time to make configuration changes if they must be made. And the
configuration of my kitchen has some major flaws.

Unfortunately, we are probably looking at A) spending $7-10K for replacing
the cooktop and exhaust system, a new floor, and some new countertop,
leaving the bad layout and good-but-aging cabinets in place, or B) spending
around $20K to correct the layout but leave the cabinets in place, or C)
$40K to redo it properly but not extravagantly.
 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:22:47 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
wrote:

Just another reason why planting pitsoporum on the property line is a
good thing.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
Storrmmee wrote:






Tangentially, I prefer that stemware/china be stored outside of the
kitchen, preferably in a cabinet the dining room or an intermediate room.
This allows someone to set the table without creating additional traffic
in the kitchen. Same goes for tablew linens.


Steve
 
On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 15:03:23 -0600, "Storrmmee"
wrote:


I have a cat and both wood and bamboo floors - no problem with kitty
feet. If sealed cork floors are anything like the cork floors in the
library at my old workplace, there will be no kitty claw problem with
that either. The surface was slick - not a surface cats would find
appealing to claw and accidents would clean up easily.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
sf wrote:
Sigh. My sink is beautiful (silgranite) but small. We just could
not put in s larger sink. It is very annoying--as is the
mandatory corner faucet.

The sink is something like this (or this exactly):



or

http://tinyurl.com/5top4b2

Note that the drain is also black on mine. And the faucet is
black, and all of this is with the matte black granite.

--
Jean B.
 
J. Clarke wrote:


True! I recently had occasion to climb up on the counter to replace a bulb
in a recessed spot in my mother's kitchen, and attempted to clean off the
unfinished top of the cabinets. It's basically impossible. (And my mother's
house is generally so clean that you could perform major surgery on any
surface! )
 
dh wears a moderately pricey shoe and orthotic, he let the sales guy talk
him into something different last time he went for orthos, it didn't "get
better" as the sales guy said, made him so mad he went on line found the
orthotic he wanted in the first place for half the price and is now walking
in an upright and normal positin again, Lee
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On Sat, 19 Feb 2011 19:22:47 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
wrote:

Just another reason why planting pitsoporum on the property line is a
good thing.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.
 
Storrmmee wrote:


I'd set a cost target, and also figure out whether you are making
improvements for functional reasons, aesthetic reasons, a hoped-for
improvement of market value of the house, or some combination.

In the functional area, for me the most important thing is having
enough room to move quickly between stove, working surface(s),
refrigerator and sink. For this reason I do not like many designs
that contain islands, perfering a design where everything is
on the perimiter of the room.

Also, lighting is of utmost importance. The equivalent of 500
watts of incandescent lighting (convert that into compact flourescents)
is not excessive for any sizeabl kitchen.

Steve
 
Pete C. wrote:


That is false. The collapse is largely in low-density suburbs,
which were overbuilt because the planning process is easier
than in cities, so builders built there even though demand was
absent. (Builders make money even if the houses never sell.)

Most unaffected cities by the collapse are New York and San Francisco.
Most impacted, Las Vegas, Yuma.


Steve
 
Andy wrote:

I hate the microwave over the stove. Put a vent over it instead. Also
without the microwave one can use larger pots and pans. However, if your
here you probably already know this.

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Enjoy Life... Nad R (Garden in zone 5a Michigan)
 
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