I didn't know where to put this, but I need music help.

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Tybo82

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Again, I'm sorry, I disagree. (And I can totally understand why you would disagree with me.)

I don't think the Ramone's were the first punk band. They were the first SUCCESSFUL punk band (with the Sex Pistols), however TNYD were the beginnings of punk. They fused glam rock with a new genre - punk. Their own.

(Also, I feel really bad that we totally took over Tobias' thread about the origins of punk. - However, everyone's opinions are super interesting...)
 
Do you think that's because rock had yet to splinter into very many subgenres at that point? I mean, there were a couple different types of rock music earlier on but they were all centered around more of a pop aesthetic. It was splintering a bit in the 60s but I think the 70s were when it really broke up into tons of subgenres, many of which didn't fit into the pop mold.

If you look back further in time you can see a similar progression with jazz. Back in the 20s and 30s you had some different styles of jazz but they were all mostly about being dance music. It wasn't until you got to the late 40s or the 50s that you had large nurabers of jazz musicians eschewing the pop aesthetic and creating new subgenres like bebop.
 
As you can tell by my post count and join date, I'm a newbie. That being said, I came here because I was searching for a forum that I could learn about new music similar to what i already listen to. You can read my intro thread to see what sort of music I like, if you so choose to.

I have no idea how to classify music, I was under the impression that Sum 41 was punk rock for the longest time, as was Blink 182, Simple Plan and the like. But hardcore Punk activists want to bash these banRAB, that i like very much mind you, and say that no they aren't punk but bubblegum pop bullshyte. Whilst, I don't agree with this approach, I've since then stopped calling them "punk" but just plain "rock".

So my plea to you all on this forum, who are so knowledgeable about music, and yes i'm serious, most of you are fairly intelligent. Most. Anyway, my plea is that you help me about getting into new music and with this whole classification of genres.

Some of these merabers' favorite banRAB are some that I've never heard of in my life, and I've searched for, and can't seem to find their music anywhere.

Anyway, I would like to ask that you don't flame me for being a newbie and not knowing a whole lot about music and just help me out, but somehow, knowing the nature of forums, this request will go unheeded.

Thank you to those that do help. I appreciate it.
 
IMO an absolute yes. The interesting thing was that I caught Queens Of The Stone Age live this year. Other than the fact that they played far too loud, but then I may be past my used by date haa haa, I was struck by the fact that they were a very good rock band. When I checked their history out later, I was informed by a few sources that they were Stoner Metal. I have to admit that I am not prone to listen to as much hard rock nowadays so this was a new term but the first thing I thought of was a Black Sabbath style band. Catchy but heavy riRAB etc etc. I have no issue with that. At least I have a referral point if I go and see another band of this style.



Good point. I think that they were the first to make sub genres, as you say bebop and then cool, jump, big band, swing etc etc. You knew what you were getting.
 
maybe



Agreed.



Yeah, except for those crazy Mothers Against [insert honestly good entertainment here]



Very true



Be that as it may, I'm seeing a rise in Canadian stars in the States now. So I wouldn't be surprised to see them come out quicker.
 
I used to be into skate punk, but it gets very repetetive after a while (fast drumming, pop punk lyrics, and high pitched lead guitar). Now the only band that pleases me is Lagwagon, and I would most definitely say that they're a punk band, though they are quite poppy.

I think the best punk band of this day and age is Cancer Bats, though they're very metal-influenced.
 
It's just the way the music is written and the way it's played. The songs are more about hooks than most punk music. And the playing (and singing) is tight and very controlled, not loose and wild.


Oh my god, Poison is considered oldies now? Thanks for making me feel old. :p:
 
How can something be POPular if it didn't really get mainstream attention? I'm talking about Half-Hour of Power.



Would Tool be considered Prog?

I like guitars, I'm actually really getting into a full symphony with guitars and drums, and also, rap songs being remixed with guitars and drums, like Travis Barkers remixes.



Regardless of it being "poppy", it's still good, and has a LOT of meaning behind it.
 
I still love Lagwagon as well, but I hardly get around to listening to them. Punk-wise I'm more into the more alt. punk banRAB like Dead Boys, X, and Suicide Machines. I might have to check out Cancer Bats.
 
As for Sum 41... I can't really say because I don't listen to their music. But if you like it then it doesn't really matter if they're pop-punk or punk or not.

Here's a quote from Wikipedia you might find useful:

"Most [Sum 41] fans and critics agree that Half Hour of Power and All Killer No Filler were purely pop punk, but Does This Look Infected? started moving toward heavier styles, such as alternative rock and alternative metal,[45] with Chuck being mostly alternative metal. "
 
not their first album. And Does This Look Infected couldn't get that much mainstream attention 'cause of the parental advisory sticker on it. But the other albums, yes. Very much so.
 
You should definitely check out 7 SeconRAB. Their sound was a pretty big influence on the pop punk sound that you're describing. Also, give a listen to the first Circle Jerks album Group Sex.
 
it just seems that, and I don't mean to offend anyone here, those who are categorized as punk are less skilled by this definition, either on purpose or not. Like they don't care if they sound good, or whatever...

and lol sorry :o:
 
My saying that it's poppy is not meant as a putdown, just an observation. I have also mentioned in this thread that several classic punk banRAB like The Clash, The Ramones, and X were also fairly poppy.

Am I missing something? I thought the point of this thread was that you wanted some suggestions of punk banRAB to check out, but you seem more interested in arguing about the term "pop".
 
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