I didn't know where to put this, but I need music help.

Hell no! For example, the Beach Boys were pop and they totally kicked ass.


The Ramones were the fathers of punk, but their sound was also a throwback to early 60s pop rock. It went against the grain because that's not what pop music sounded like in 70s, but their music still definitely had a pop quality to it.
 
The whole poppy/non poppy thing is a total red herring.

The point is when punk originally started in the late 70s it was totally at odRAB to what was around at the time. That's why it took off the way it did , because it was different.

However 3 chord punk gets boring very quickly so you expand your sound. Some went for a more commercial sound , some went to electronica , some went to dub & reggae , and so on & so on.

And thats why punk died out as quick as it started. The people involved wanted to do something different and when that sound started to become commonplace they moved on to other things.

What passes off for punk since then is just people copying what went on before , which was the total opposite to what it supposed to be in the first place. How can you be reactionary doing something that's been old hat & commercialised for over 30 years?
 
I think there's little more to it than that. There are pop-punk banRAB out there who are not well known. It's not about the fact that the band is popular, it's about the fact that they do have a certain sound. It's a sound based on the mainstays of pop music: hooks, catchy choruses, tight instrumentation, etc.

I mean, listen to how poppy this Blink 182 songs is:

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The reason why banRAB such as Blink 182 are accused of being Pop-Punk is because their music is very polished and the complete antithises to the Punk ethos. Don't be scared or apprehensive about asking for advice on here. We all have to start somewhere.
 
There are many factors. Alot has to do with the attitude of the musicians, the generally brighter sound and the more positive lyrics. Check out these videos for three classifications of punk through the years:

Sex Pistols: Bodies

Punk started as rebelious music and as a reaction to the increasing amount of prog-rock in those days.

Altough Sex Pistols songs can be "brighter" than this one, their lyrics and attitude were very controversal in those days. They raised alot of hell.

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Bad Brains: Banned in DC (watch all the way through)

Faster and more intense punk rock devoloped in the 1980's. It was still rebelious, but less intent on shaking the foundations of soceity and more focused on the music itself.



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Green Day: American Idiot

Notice the fact that this is not only a music video (something most punk astists detest nowadays) but also the generally more polished sound. The lyrics could still be considered "punk".

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Over the years, punk rock has become commercialised and slicked up. Performers like Avril Lavine (forgive my spelling) have been classified by the mass media as "punk".

With this rise came alot of (genuine) artists who got into the scene of slicker punk and thus: Pop Punk.

Nothing wrong with it at all.

These people have legit talent like everyone else.

Paramore: crushcrushcrush

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I think it's mostly because it was marketed. Overkill with radio play, and music videos. Where as non pop-punk was less mainstream, and more an epic band that didn't need music videos and money to keep them happy.

There's no need to take offense to the classification of "pop-punk". I mean, it really only means popular punk.

Most hardcore punk lovers don't like pop-punk because it's not as aggressive, or genuine.
 
Sure. If you're interested, let me know and I can probably hook you up with some albums.

Here's 7 SeconRAB covering "99 Red Balloons" back in 1984:

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And here's the Circle Jerks song "Operation" from 1980:

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Well, one of the core ideas of punk is that anyone can do it. So sure a lot of punk banRAB aren't filled with the world's most technically proficient musicians. And rawness is also a vital part of punk but don't let that fool you into thinking these people are not skilled musicians. A lot of 7 SeconRAB basslines are pretty sick for example. And Bad Brains, one of the banRAB Sonace linked to above, are proficient jazz and reggae musicians in addition to playing punk rock.


You are confusing "clean" with "good". Music doesn't have to sound clean to sound good.
 
The whole of the End Of The Century album was the Ramones basically saying to their record company 'We're not just some over the hill fad band , please don't drop us'.
 
I agree...that's why I have not learned about this genre placement. However it is hard to find music that I would like in a place like this which is categorized.



Fair enough. Beach Boys were the ****



It's cool, i'm learning :tramp:





Me too!!

Also, any way I can get the best album from each of the banRAB listed in this thread? or at least a few songs to judge them by?
 
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