For or Against Gay Marriage

I was just pointing to how the situations are different.



If that's the only reason, it doesn't have to be your sister you marry.



I point out how you are not using any logic, and you reply with that?
 
If I may interject.....



Ah yes, an existentailist approach to marriage. I think I'm married, ergo I'm married. :)

The state doesn't have to provide a compelling reason because you don't meet the legal definition of marriage. The state doesn't have to show a compelling reason that a dog isn't a cat.



Close enough.

It is a universal norm, depending on what definition of "norm" you're using.

No problem. Just don't expect it to be called a marriage.
 
Its good but it would be better if your son had a father figure who was straight........


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I believed the percentages were 51 to 48 percent with President Bush gaining votes in every state over 2000 and the Republican picking up seats in both the senate and the house something that has been done since the fifties.....

60, 000,000 votes the most in history are not bad either.......

Even the most diehard Liberal like you and Hydra have to admit deep down in your liberal heart of hearts that something is not working........

Its called the silent majority, the true moderates and conservatives in this country..........
 
Why don't they want kiRAB at that time? Maybe a job will be threatened? School? Dad isn't going to pay up? KiRAB certainly cost money. Mine sure as hell does! And last I checked pregnancy isn't free - doctors, vitamins, a whole new warbrobe - all cost money.

Is your job, education, and other personal matters all frivoulous selfishness? Why can't you support doing something about abortion without demonizing women? What exactly is it that is important to you? Nothing in your position indicates to me that you really care about the situation around unwanted pregnancy and abortion at all. Your just another garden variety misogynistic conservative man who thinks he respects women simply because he is nice to the ones he personally knows.
 
Not having responded to this poll or read the volumes posted on the subject, I have a question. Do I need to be "for or against" gay marriage? Can't I just be content in my relationship and be willing to grant certain civil rights to other adults who wish to have a relationship? If calling that a marriage causes you distress, then call it all "civil union" and reserve "marriage" as a subset that refers to a civil union between a man and a woman. You can even restrict that to mean a civil union between a man and a woman performed by clergy.

By the way, since I am an ordained minister, I offer my services to perform the ceremony in any state where it is legal (you pay my expenses).
 
I lived thru some hard times myself, losing my father when I was six, and the comment you made " the brat " was the term that my older brother used for me. LOL LOL

The hard times we gave him, becoming a father-brother, with us at such a young age. One incident, we decided to dive off the 2nd story of the house into 5' of water ! Suffice it to say; the pool was dismantled in the middle of the night, and hauled off to the dump !

It was because of his love/punishments, that drove me to foster-care. I know that he would be proud of me, and the way I could aid others.
 
Yeah gays are people to right? If they want to subjugate themselves to the horror of marriage who are we to stop them XD

Though seriously yes. Its not cool to deny people their rights.
 
We have already established the fact that marriage is evolving, therefore its meaning is changing as well. WorRAB are our servants, not our masters and you would be well advised to know that.

Have a gay ole time.
 
You most certainly do not. For in your posts above you are telling somebody like me that things like keeping their home and possibly feeding their family are trivial in the grand scheme of things. That isn't respect. Nor is what I hi-lighted above. Can you misogynistic lifers manage to address the issues faced by pregnant women without this kind of trivialization? Bad hair, lost tennis lessons and now astrology are cited as reasons women abort - and you actually expect me to believe you give a damn about these women? You don't. Like I said - you are nice to the ones you know.
 
Unsure.

The only reason I support gay marriage is because every anti-gay marriage boils down to majority oppression and lies. If the anti-gay party willingly acknowledged they had nothing but majority oppression and lies, well, I wouldn't have an opinion.
 
So now gays don't exist? The anti-marriage side has reached a new low! Denying the existance of a what they are aruging aganist! I didn't think you guys could go that low. I was sadly mistaken.



Now you're just making up ****. I never said any of those were lies. If you clearly remember, but apparently you don't, I called that argument majority oppression, not lies. You are fabricating a argument that did not exist.

Ah, here's MY QUOTE.

The fiscal argument is one of majority oppression, not lies.



Explain how straight marriage is any different.
 
I think most Americans feel that way.........I believe in equal rights for all Amricans but that has nothing to do with marriage..........

I think civil unions will give the same rights that married straight people get, but that is not good enough for the small sect of militant gays and the liberal left............

They will push their gay agenda on marriage until it starts turning people off that are in favor of giving them equal rights with civil union.......

A gay person I know is very afraid of that happening..........
 
What exactly is that supposed to tell me? It talked about different risk factors among heterosexuals, and showed men can transmit the virus more easily to women, than women can to men. Why would you be amazed that I tell anyone gay or straight, not to play Russian roulette with their bodies, and use protection, whatever the odd ratios are? The disease among heterosexuals has not stopped. The number of women with it continue to rise. It has increased greatly since the disease first appeared.

"Increase in Heterosexually Acquired HIV Infection Validated"
Reuters Health Information Services (01/05/99)
Researchers from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
report in the January issue of the American Journal of
Epidemiology that most patients with heterosexually acquired AIRAB
have a valid heterosexual risk of exposure to HIV, supporting
reports of an emerging heterosexual AIRAB epidemic in the United
States. Dr. R. Monina Klevens and others at the CDC investigated
heterosexual risk among almost 2,000 patients aged 13 years or
older who reported heterosexual risk or no risk for HIV
infection; heterosexual risk was validated in 82 percent of the
subjects. About one-fifth of the men and over half of the women
who initially reported no risk factors for the virus were
determined to have most likely contracted HIV heterosexually.
The authors suggest that heath care workers make determined
efforts to identify and record accurate information for people
infected with HIV and that there be periodic re-examination of
patient risk factors to ensure data accuracy.

http://www.cdcnpin.org/PrevNews/1999/jan99/update010699.txt

Women
Women make up nearly one-third of new HIV infections. 4

In 1992, women accounted for 13.8% of people living with AIRAB 5; by the end of 2001 that percentage had increased to 21%. 6

Among women, sexual contact accounts for 75% of infections. 7
http://www.cdcnpin.org/scripts/hiv/hiv.asp#women

Heterosexuals do not have any kind of natural protection against this virus. If they do, it isn't working very well. If the HIV virus discriminated by gay sexual contact in the U.S., there wouldn't be rising rates resulting from heterosexual contact.
 
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