Expressvu "On Demand"

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AFAIK dish VOD is bits of movies saved on harddrive. I think the way it works is a predetermined amount and selection automatically get recorded on your hardrive. If you don't select to view it then it deletes and starts the next one.
 
Yes
I want everything yesterday
Thats why I have high speed internet, microwave, and a really fast car
I can't wait
I couldn't deal with having a movie buffer for 10 minutes while the popcorn is popping
That is unacceptable, just like calling ExpressVu "Full HD"
 
OK, so let's be clear: what's being bandied about here as "On Demand like the cable guys do" is NOT POSSIBLE via Bell ExpressVu using existing satellite technology.

There is one service from DishNet which reserves a portion of YOUR hard drive space on your PVR to download a handful of movies that are locked to your drive. (Note also: this is not live streaming; it is pre-recorded content only.) If you choose to watch them, you buy them just like PPV, except you can fast forward, rewind, etc for 24 hours. But this is not what cable offers. Rogers, to take one example, offers 3000 movies and shows across 16 or more different services, some free, some subscription and some 24 hr PPV. The DishNet model will provide you, at best, a dozen or so feature movies at any one time. And whether you watch them or not, you'll be sacrificing precious hard drive space on YOUR PVR for the "privilege".

The second option is somehow magically making On Demand for satellite customers using the phone line. Hello! This is no longer satellite TV, is it?

There are a couple of variations here: but they depend on ditching satellite technology and moving to some form of wireline TV -- such as Verizon FiOS in the US which delivers a fibre optic link to your living room or the considerably inferior "fibre-lite" option AT&T U-Verse is using delivering fibre somewhere to the neighbourhood and hoping 500 or more homes will get "good enough" TV over their twisted pair legacy telephone wire. On Demand is possible using this route but, again, it's not available from Bell yet and it has nothing to do with ExpressVu satellite.
 
So, if Bell can not have On Demand, maybe they should be complaining to the CRTC that this is unfair competition and a limitation of the technology. Similar to how Satellite consumers can no longer share their account if they have two homes (cottage) because Cable subscribers are unable to do this.

Bell won't do this because On Demand is very much possible no matter what technology they would use to "download" the movie. Currently, they also have a launch pad for gaming, but the ability is still there and is interactive on any receiver.

Just like how Rogers uses the same cable for all their services (internet access and television) which uses the ability to utilize their two way network to control it's on demand service. Bell could very well do the same with the DSL backbone. Many Bell sympatico availability locations even offer 16mbit downloads which would be enough to stream HD on demand.
Rogers can't offer this because it would knock out the entire block with the use of bandwidth (since it's all shared).
 
OK, so the term has been expanded (b@stardized?) to encompass what is now available from other providers, still the Wiki site says:



I think we've said enough on the topic and we all understand how both systems work and they are different. If you wish to use the same term for both, that is obviously your prerogative, however inaccurate.

For example, the BEV/Dish system could be called store and forward, or download, however, the ROD (Rogers on Demand) cannot be called either, so obviously they are different.
 
Have another look at what Dish On Demand actually is:

http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/whats_on_dish/dish_on_demand/index.shtml

You might want to follow the links, as well.

From TV networks (Speed, HGTV, AMC, etc) they have 4 programs available at any given time with a refresh once a week.

For movies, they have 16 titles for October; presumably that's 4 titles a week.

DishOnDemand specifically requires your ViP 622 or ViP 722 satellite receiver to be connected to a broadband Internet source to pull in content. This is not free as Dish states:



Note also that NONE of this content is HD (yet) nor is broadband capable of delivering real-time HD. You mentioned Sympatico Optimax at 16 mbps without mentioning a $100/mth price tag. Or that broadcast HD is up to 19 mbps, and delivered that way over cable, without further compression.

I stay firm to the point that Satellite, on its own, is incapable of delivering a true, streaming, thousands of titles live, On Demand experience. Dishnetwork is trying to muddy the waters with -- pardon my characterization -- inept variations. A handful of titles on the hard drive, or resorting to $100/mth Internet connections to deliver "satellite on demand" is NOT On Demand.

Given Bell ExpressVu's new owners, and enormous new debt levels, they are also unlikely to make any further major capital investments for at least another year as they figure out which business segments are strategic and which they will simply spin off.

Sigh. My point remains: satellite cannot deliver a credible On Demand product simply because of limited bandwidth and one-way delivery.
 
That "rude" comment you said I indicated was directed at SensualPoet's comment "Again, do you want to give back precious PVR space to Bell in order to have them sell you more stuff and you can record less of what you want?".
That misleads someone to think the PVR's will record the events without you knowing (like Dish's older "on demand" technology used) and use up additional space on the drive.
Others in the link I posted specifically stated that "it shows a menu of over 100 movies available for 24 hour viewing (very first post)" and "a popup comes up and tells you when it has downloaded enough for you to start watching (post #101)".
It obviously wouldn't be wasting a whole hard drive's worth of "precious PVR space" (this estimated by the PVR's 200 hours of space divided by 100 movies with an average of 2 hours each).
Clearly this cable employee did not read the comments in the linked thread before trolling over into this satellite thread and posting that comment. In any case this feature may never make it to Expressvu. I simply mentioned it because it is possible we may one day see this.
 
You're getting confused with the variety of On Demand being brought online. First of all, where do you see that shows are being removed after a month? Where do you see that only 16 titles will be the only titles available? Does Rogers announce every single show or movie they are going to post? No, they don't. Is this the first few months of it's launch? Yes, and it's a new type of offering from a Satellite provider, so they're not going to jump in neck deep and drown in it.

If you closely follow this link:

http://www.dishnetwork.com/content/whats_on_dish/dish_on_demand/dishonline/index.shtml

You will see that this is just one of the variety of ways the the On Demand service is being provided to customers.



It's free as in Dish does not charge for it. So to them, obviously, it's free.




Why do I need to mention the $100/mth price tag? I am referring to the technology that is available to Bell users and not to Rogers users. Cogeco even offers it though with their "Internet High Speed Pro" at a cheaper price $69.95 and still 16mbit. HD can and will be be delivered over this type of "pipe" with the same compression that Rogers, Bell and the other providers are utilizing to spare their circuit/bandwidth in real time. 19mbit speeds are far from realistic currently with mpeg2 receivers. With the arrival of Mpeg4 receivers, only the naive will continue to think that HD streaming is not possible over this type of bandwidth.




I find it comical that because cable companies were the first to bring upon on demand service, that they think they can dictate how it can be delivered. The name "On Demand" is not copyrighted.

This technology is "firmly" able to deliver the On Demand service to their Satellite customers who wish to have it. Since every Rogers receiver has this ability, does every user want this ability and use it? Would some of them rather spend less on a different receiver and still receive 100% digital signal, unlike our Rogers friends with over 30 analog channels still in place?

It's delusional to consider that the use of internet connectivity can't be used for this process and I think it's going to be quite successful.

:rolleyes:

..............I stand by saying that Satellite, no matter how On demand is delivered, and as long as it's delivered at the touch of a button, IS On Demand.
 
If Satellite is using 16 mbps broadband to deliver "on demand" satellite content, that's not Satellite On Demand. Most Bell ExpressVu customers do not live in Bell wireline territory or even have the ability subscribe to Sympatico Broadband (let alone Optimax 16 mbps).

Satellite TV (on its own) simply can't provide a full function On Demand. If they partner with a local neighbourhood fibre broadband company maybe they can approximate it. But why wouldn't the local neighbourhood fibre broadband company just cut out Satellite altogether?

Satellite is one-way TV and is constrained by a very limited number of live feeds which are delivered nationally. You simply can't deliver thousands of movies and shows, at the touch of a remote, according to the whims of 2 million customers independently via satellite technology as a wireline (aka cable) service can today.

Obfuscate as much as you like: but every solution you come up with is either woefully limited (a handful of titles pre-recorded to PVR) or driven by some wireline (aka NON-satellite delivery) which could just as easily be delivered by any Internet provider.
 
First of all, I said that the technology is available for 16 mbps downloads which would make HD On Demand deliverable. No one said that it would be available everywhere just yet. Just like how Rogers cable "wireline territory" is not spread across all of Canada.

Satellite TV on it's own of course can't provide this function. We are speaking about the use of new technology being offered by Dish.

Satellite was initially designed to be a "one-way TV" solution, but wow.... look what happened, Progress! Seeing that internet connectivity is available anywhere (thanks to two way Satellite as well as), dsl, cable, fiber (in the states and don't think it's in Canada for the residential audience), etc... On Demand would be as well. Having constraints to the technology, does not invalidate it.

One can remain xenophobic or adopt/accept the new technological changes and it's uses. Satellite VOD is here to stay whether they offer 1 movie every 13.4 days or 1500 new movies a week. It does not change the fact that they can be ordered and delivered when the user chooses with the use of any medium.
 
It's VOD if expressvu wants to say it is. Just like True HDTV is not 1080p but is still HDTV
VOD on Expressvu is not what some want it to be but its no big deal.
I can run a VOD service from my house with kids on bikes delivering VCR tapes one day a week to those that write me a letter to ask for them.
Can't it still be "finger licking good" even if its not chicken?
 
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