Expressvu "On Demand"

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I agree, enough is said about this topic.

Cable is not the same as Satellite and their VOD services don't have to be either. But they can both offer their own version of VOD and still be called VOD.
 
This is a download service, not an On Demand service. You choose what you want in advance or select from some content pre-downloaded to your HD PVR and then pay for it to view it.

Again, do you want to give back precious PVR space to Bell in order to have them sell you more stuff and you can record less of what you want?
 
57,

the term was from this statement.

....or "download" it in which the program is brought in its entirety to a set-top box before viewing starts.

This is not the way VOD would work with Dish or Bell therefore I would not call it a store and forward concept either.

I do find it interesting how ROD users feel this would not class this as a VOD service.
 
It is an Option, why not let the Customers decide if they want to use this Option.....
 
Yes it is a on demand service. Rogers, nor do any other cable company define what VOD means. Dish just uses two data pipes in order to utilize their available programming. And the online service has nothing to do with pre-allocating space on your PVR. That's a different service offering.
 
I notice that Dish Net in the USA has on demand movies and channels just like cable on demand. Does anyone know if Bell has any plans to introduce VOD for the ExpressVu PVR's?! This is the reason why I left Expressvu for Cogeco but would go back to Bell if they did this, thanks!
 
The way we (Rogers customers) and Rogers themselves would define OD is something that can be accessed by any digital (cable) customer. There are also quite a number of OD channels with thousands of programmes available. Since roughly 60% of Rogers customers are now digital, OD is available to a huge number of customers, with a huge variety of programming.

On BEV, I don't know what percentage would have PVRs, but I suspect it's not nearly as high a percentage, nor is the variety of programming available, nor is the programme available instantaneously.

These are significant differences. We would not qualify Torrents as an "on-demand" service, yet by your definition, it is...

Some of this is semantics, but the technology is quite different and the equipment required to access the programming is also different, hence our wish to clarify the matter.

We're not saying its wrong to use the term OD, but it is inaccurate, in the same way it would be inaccurate to call a Rogers STB a PVR simply because it can access an OD service (essentially the reverse of what you've been saying).
 
It is not the same at all as reg vod.What they do is send a selections of so many movies to you box and you then pick from there its very limited.I have heard bell does plan on doing this eta is jan 2009.How ever the cost is really going to scare alot of people away.Take rogers a movie costs $6.00 on the bell system it will cost $10.00.
 
You are incorrect. This new service they have is an On Demand service that lets you purchase a movie and then download it and start watching it after it has a large enough buffer. Did you read the linked thread before you posted?
 
57,

VOD is a term used to get video when you want it through a company's receiver. Nothing to do with torrents.

Just because Rogers streams it on the same cable instead of downloading a portion of it should not change the term.

The amount of users and the equipment is irrelevant.

Calling a Rogers stb a PVR which has acces to VOD would be innacurate because it can't record.

I do agree the tech. is completely different and I would say the Rogers method is far better. I don't think satellite VOD can be any better because of it limitations of bandwidth and one way communication.
 
If its downloading and requires a hard drive to record the movie then its a downloading service.

I can use VOD at Rogers with any digital terminal because the movie is stored on Rogers servers and served up on demand without having to locally store it.

Could you use ExpressVu on demand with a 2700 or 6000. If not then its a download service.
 
I heard that they are planning to integrate the use of their RJ11 or RJ45 port on their receivers so it will be a true VOD solution. Have a look at what Dish has done. ExpressVu will just follow the leader.
 
It is relevant. You say it has nothing to do with torrents, but what BEV/Dish is doing is like Torrents, in that you need a special piece of equipment with a HDD to download the programme. This is not necessary with ROD, only a STB is required, hence the distinction.

People who use a computer to download a programme and then view it on their TVs would never call that "on demand", yet you wish us to accept that term for the exact same thing on BEV/Dish.

I will not accept it. It's inaccurate.
 
To a regular cable user a digital box may be considered "special piece of equipment "

I don't understand why equipment has anything to do with the term VOD.

If you don't have the equipment you don't get VOD. It does not mean it is not VOD?

If a company existed which provided programming through the internet with its own hdd and there service had VOD through the same line as the programming which is a plug into the internet would that be what you call VOD?
 
Rogers receivers, for example, download and stream their movies and other VOD video. As with any download service, you are able to start watching your shows while the download is still occurring.

Regarding older receivers, just because old receivers aren't able to utilize the service does not invalidate the fact that VOD service is now available with the Dish network.

I think the issue people are having here is how to define Video On Demand. From what I have read, the definition is:
[SIZE=-1]A service that allows subscribers to retrieve and watch a selection of movies (on video) at any time.

That would mean, if you choose a movie from Dish's VOD service, at 3am in the morning, the receiver retrieves it and allows the user to watch it when the consumer watches it. As well as the same movies being available at 3pm. Whether you call it a download service or something else, it doesn't make it any less of a Video On Demand service.
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ltldev, so is Dish delivering movies over high speed internet?

If Bev is doing that, what is the liklihood that many users could use it? I mean most folks can't plug in a phone line so how are they going to plug in an Ethernet cable? (not to mention what are the bandwidth implications?
 
ltldev, Its true that both services acheive a similar result for PVR owners BUT, as I noted earlier, not for the vast majority of ExpressVu users who don't have one.

Frankly I was responding to, what IMHO was, Falcon's rude comment to SensualPoet. (Did you read the linked thread before you posted?) I agree with SensualPoet.

I think Rogers solution is superior and more universal so calling the ExpressVu download would be more probably be a more acccurate description.
 
Yes, unlike what BEV/Dish provide, which is store and forward, or download.

It's the "same difference" as downloading a song or listening to it streamed. (A cellphone user without any storage to speak of, could listen to a streamed song, while a more elaborate setup would be required to download for example, hence the difference is apparent again.)

As you can see, one is called downloading, one is called streamed. Confusion would result if you called downloading streaming, hence the reason we are dwelling on what some would call semantics, but what I call accuracy.
 
I don't want to get into what is superior and what is not because I disagree and feel that's Rogers services and inferior in just about ever aspect (for another thread). I was/am simply saying that no matter the channel, path or technology type to obtain the VOD data, Dish's ability to deliver a movie etc by a click of a button is in fact a VOD service because the movie is delivered when the user demands it and is not sent until the user requests it.

If you don't agree, we will just have to agree to disagree.
 
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