Enough with the Fuckin' Vampires

Justin_Bailey said:
BigT already covered the "good vamps don't" theory, but I mostly find the differences between Edward and Angel amusing. Angel gets his blood from a butcher that he keeps in the fridge and drinks out of a travel mug like some kind of yuppie vampire latte. Edward kills a bear with his bare hands and drains it because he feels that if there's no challenge to the hunt (i.e., he could die if he fails), he doesn't deserve blood.

Which one's the sissy?
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Tell that to Angelus ;)

ETA : (that said, it's not like bears are that dangerous - they don't dish out aggravated damage :p )
 
It must have peaked by now.

I'd like a sci-fi boom as big as this boring vampire boom now.
 
Boyo Jim said:
Playing right now on my cable system...
Lust at First Bite
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Pure curiosity... Love at first Bite?

Although IMDB does tell me that there is a Lust at First Bite aka Dracula Sucks porn movie... which interestingly also dates to 1979...

Inquiring minds and all that. :)
 
Alice The Goon said:
Haha, uh yeah, no. Now the goths have found a place to fit in and be popular, since everyone's into it. They will keep it popular for a long time, I fear. The demographic- tweens and teens with black nailpolish, lipstick, and hair- is not going anywhere any time soon.
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Goths have nothing and want nothing to do with it.
To put it in pompous terms : goths are into vamps for the ennui and the outsider-ness (e.g. "we are aliens lurking outside humanity's windows, forever denied the sun's caress, our gift is our curse etc... /slashwrist"), the current fad is aaaaall about the glamour, superiority to regular humans and grabbing a slice of the Twilight crowd ("that Edward, he's so dreamy... and chaste !").

Which feels kind of wrong, somehow. I mean, both ultimately stem from snobbish bullshit, but at least the goth crowd doesn't pretend vampires are nice.
 
I don't think you can say whether vampires are nice or not... after all, they don't actually exist and there's a myriad of different mythologies where vamps vary from mindless monsters to noble and surprisingly chaste super heroes.
 
Martini Enfield said:
I'd be interested in some titles of movies which you think are of the "Full of bouncing titties/must have a strip club scene" because I must say I can't recall many non-porn (softcore or otherwise) films from the past few years that would qualify, with the exception of things like Sin City and a couple of other films clearly aimed at a more "Mature" audience than your standard "R" rated movie.

Obviously there's going to be nudity in "Mainstream" films, but I certainly don't recall (and haven't noticed) it being de rigueur in the way you're suggesting it is, at any rate.
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Actually, I can't think of the last movie that I watched. It's been a few years. I got so bored with the whole "we gotta have titties" theme that I just haven't been watching movies, other than things like the Toy Stories. This wasn't a concious decision, and certainly the gratuitous sex and sexuality wasn't the only reason, or even the main reason, why I've quit watching movies. But it's part of it.

I'm a partial nudist myself. Right now, I'm wearing a pair of glasses, a pair of panties, and a pair of flipflops. It's summer, I'm in Texas, and it's HOT. I don't mind other people being nude so much as I mind the notion that I should pay a small fortune in ticket and concessions to waste a quarter of the screen time looking at stuff that bores me. And female tits bore me. If I'm gonna look at nekkid peoples, I demand equal rights, I want to look at nekkid or nearly nekkid men. And no, men without shirts is NOT the same thing as women without shirts.
 
Stoneburg said:
I'd like a sci-fi boom as big as this boring vampire boom now.
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Science fiction has an undercurrent of rational thought. Vampires, like other fantasy, have an undercurrent of magical thought.

You guess which is more common these days.

Though you can treat magic rationally (see Poul Anderson's Operation Chaos and S. M. Stirling's Dies the Fire), and you can treat science magically (see Ray Bradbury's Mars stories).
 
In every folkloric version of vampirism with which I am acquainted, vampires are disgusting undead creatures. All that varies is just how disgusting. One South Pacific variant, the name of which I can't recall, is just a detached head that flies about with its internal organs dangling drippily beneath.
This whole "sexy vampires" thing is the product of fiction writers and has gone on far too long for my taste. I'd like to see a vampire movie featuring a genuinely frightening and disgusting vampire like the old timey people (who actually believed in such things) feared.
 
Fiveyearlurker said:
The Passage by Justin Cronin is currently on the best seller's list. Pretty decent book. I think this is the one cricetus is referring too, but not sure.
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I keep hearing about it, and as a horror buff I feel I ought to read it, and if it's good I don't want to miss it...but vampires again? Just thinking about it makes me tired.

Maybe I'm anemic.
 
Chimera said:
You know, this idea that being bitten by a vampire is all sexy and cool would go straight out the window in a flash of screaming agony if they really did have a bunch of razor sharp teeth slashing into their jugular.

It's really stupid "Oh, he's the ultimate bad boy*, but he won't hurt ME!**" lies and self-delusion.
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I'm sick of vampires too, but how is this any more self-delusional than the previous trope about vampires being evil monsters like in The Lost Boys?

Vampires do not exist. They are imaginary. The vampires of "Twilight" are no more or less delusional than the vampire in "Nosferatu." If the mythology changes to make vampires more like Edward Cullen than like Count Dracula, the mythology changes, but it's not "delusional." There are no vampires in real life. There is nothing to be "deluded" about.
 
Dung Beetle said:
I keep hearing about it, and as a horror buff I feel I ought to read it, and if it's good I don't want to miss it...but vampires again? Just thinking about it makes me tired.

Maybe I'm anemic.
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They're more like fast zombies with the caveats that they can't stand light, and have a weakness in their chest where they can be shot or stabbed. They are strong, can jump and long lived, but not charming or really even very thinking.

It's a long book, and the first third is pretty good. After that it fast forwards 100 years, and then it's kind of annoying.
 
Obligatory xkcd link.

Just in case you thought there might be something you could do about it.

DESPAIR!
 
Just play "Night Moves" or "Turn the Page" -- you'll get rid of them.

(Bob Seger was prepared for this -- look at his band's name!)
 
Boyo Jim said:
I really don't get it. A three hundred year old delusion is no more respectable than last week's desusion.
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Yep. As a literaly figure, yep. Now if Twilight has the staying power of Dracula or Lord of the Rings, it gains some respectability.
 
I was a rabid horror movie fan and even I could never muster any interest in vampire stuff, it just seemed completely irrelevant.

Not following the vampire trend now but I'm reminded of Anne Rice fans from the 1990s who mixed it up with all kinds of "pagan" imagery and insisted on spelling it "vampyre" and had vampire themed weddings and were extremely serious and self-righteous about it all.

In my opinion the only good vampire movies are:

Nosferatu - both the German original and German remake
Vampyr - another German one from the 1930s
The Hunger - with David Bowie, surprisingly enough

They say Salem's Lot was good too but I never saw it.
 
I think we are rapidly approaching a Vampire media event horizon that will have a similar effect to the well known shoe event horizon on your civilization...

I'm planning to turn into a bat.

-XT
 
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