energy reform coming as an amendment

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This particular government wouldn't which is why I presented the statement they way I did.

Heading out to buy BP solar panels to offset the oil spill and promote their clean energy transition.
 
and not as a separate bill. It will still do the same thing but the dems think it will be easier to pass this way since the bill they are attaching the amendment to had bipartisan support.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/06/will-the-senate-tackle-climate-change-via-amendments/57801/
 
they will lose the bipartisan support for the original bill by trying to add energy reform to it.

not gunna happen no matter what shady scam the dems come up with this time
 
watt?

My garage/workshop is off-grid. I run my chest freezer, overhead and work lights, power tools, etc. I also charge my electric truck and my kid's electric motorcycle on my solar/wind system.

In fact, solar works best on an individual level (rather than trying to create huge solar "farms").
 
What I'm saying is, its a feel good go green market that doesn't really put a foot forward and is extremely expensive.

Going to Gore's stupid carbon footprint analogy for simplicity: If it takes 100lbs of carbon footprint to make the solar pannel and by the time it needs replacing it only offset 105lbs of carbon footprint and it takes you 15 years to offset the monetary cost...why the FUCK would you do it?

Solar pannels have their place, in remote charging stations.

Like I said, our material recycling is getting better; but its simply not a viable solution.
 
They blew up a coal mine and an oil rig. They're taking a lot of risk and making big pushes so they can get this legislation enacted.

Look what we got after the 9/11 attacks- the Patriot Act and it's successors. Now we have the unique set of crises Biden promised us, and Obama will help us all to live green... even if it means living as slaves.
 
If he really wanted to fuck the energy companies he would be pushing for home generation of electricity with solar shingles and shit.
 
And the environmental impact of making the pannels and disposing of those pannels will have hardly saved us anything. You'd have been better off setting up a mirror field and a steam turbine.
 
boy im glad all the college kids tend to vote liberal and brought these people into control of Congress and the White House.
 
Personally, I applaud this coming as a Constitutional Amendment. Not so much as for what it does, but it is the PROPER way for government to do things.

Now if they would only repeal health care and try to pass it the proper way ... as a Constitutional Amendment ... since the Constitution doesn't give the Federal Government the power to do "Energy" -OR- "Health Care".
 
Don't bother. Kyocera are cheaper and Mitsubishi are higher quality. That's what I have on my garage
 
You like having food in the store right? Cause all those semi's bringing the food to your local supermarket would end. Ya gotta wean and in my opinion it starts with ending coal burning power plants and start transitioning to nuclear power.
 
This slow transition has taken 30 years already and we are using more fossil fuels, not less
 
That still doesn't make any sense. My Mitsubishi panels are warrantied for 25 years. Being solid state devices with no moving parts, they'll probably last for longer than that. If there's more renewable power in use, then the manufacturing plant can begin using that renewable power to make the solar panels, wind generators, or whatever. When you try to argue environmental impact, are you including the bombs and dead bodies linked to our oil dependence? How about the inevitable spill, like what's going on in the gulf right now?

If it were 1910, would you argue against cars because their parts still have to be transported on trains?
 
That's still solar power, CBF. People use solar power to heat water (and a small PV module to pump it) to heat their potable water, or even to heat their homes. Not all solar needs to be photovoltaic.

PV has its limitations and safety issues, and so does solar steam (high amerage PV, high pressure boiler, etc.)

And look at the environmental impact of that silver mining!!!
 
WTF are you even talking about?


Nuclear
Geothermal
Wind
Solar-Thermal
Biofules
etc... are all what I am in favor of. Not massive mining of CdTe followed by production damages of the cell and then the recycling efforts. CdTe is also toxic so improperly disposed cells result in local environmental damages.

Thanks to our study of macromolecules and complex crystal research there is hope that we can find a more efficient crystaline structure to utilize the photoelectric effect. Right now, its not somethign we should be band-wagoning too.

And you're right, I wouldn't have supported the automobile because I would have forseen the issue we are having today just like the many many chemists of the time.
 
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