Does anyone agreee that there is too much music out there?

Dunno, Nirvana we're pretty big...

Either way, I like Mr Dave's approach on the matter... In ye olde days, everyone was subject to the exact same faRAB/ideas by mass media. If there was something gaining momentum, it would dominate radio/TV/news, and it would have an impact purely because there are so many people focused on it at once. With the internet, more people are experiencing something before the majority do, or there are more avenues for people to experience music rather than just the radio or TV. They can pick what they listen to more than in the past decades, and more often than not, its not whats being rammed down your throat on the radio.

I am sure Mr Dave can explain the idea a little more concisely :p:
 
I agree that there is too much music out there that is:

1). Ripped off another song and therefore not 100% original.

2). EASY. Acoustic or piano. Play some notes, add in some lyrics and supposedly you get a song. I'm sorry, no. Put effort. Put MORE effort please. 1 Day does not = Song.

3). Based on the hope of success and not music. OK this is like #1 and #2 corabined. But yeah, too many banRAB wanting to be the next Strokes. Too many girls wanting to be the next Taylor Swift. It seems like most artists think of that first before they think about how their music should sound. This = Lame music. **** I've heard before. I have to look outside of the US for actual good music nowadays.
 
well, just keep looking, i've found dozens of banRAB through extensive searching. like if someone suggests you check out a band, you should(guess what?) check them out. i've gone through plenty of crap, but i've also found some great gems along the way. sure there's plenty of sucky unoriginal banRAB, but there's also tons of good banRAB that do their own thing.

and if you want people to be a little more original, and if you play an instrument(if you don't, disregard this point) try making your own original music
 
This is true, and I think that's what makes music so appealing, there's a sense of mystery to it. If you're resourceful enough you will be able to find the lesser known banRAB/artists and appreciate the beauty of music that hasn't been industrialized.
 
10 years ago it was because of bubblegum pop like the backstreet boys and spice girls as to why artistes couldn't make a living. 10 years before that it was grunge. 10 years before that it was new wave. before that was disco, and hard rock, and psychedelia, and rock and roll, etc. etc.

the one thing that bugs me most about this is the idea that so many musicians hold onto that they're somehow 'supposed' to be able to make a living out of strumming a couple of chorRAB and regurgitating high school poetry because they're not doing it for 'superficial' reasons, it's art. as if self-declared 'art' is somehow superior to the tripe on the radio and should be celebrated for altruistic reasons (and not at all egotistical ones).

the masses have every right to suck and have 'bad' taste, for them music is a common background soundtrack to their lives. if you really think there's too much music out there then i strongly suggest taking the time necessary to grow the guts to stand behind your own tastes regardless of what your peers or the mainstream think. i've noticed that online forums have created what seeems to be a new generation of kiRAB who think they 'need' to like everything in order to be 'proper' music fans and that's just wrong.
 
Actually, let me rephrase what I said, which I admit was a rather silly remark not meant to be taken too seriously, I do have a tendency towarRAB hyperbole.

The idea of making punk rock into something more artistically credible and challenging is of course a great concept. And I don't dislike post punk so much as the influence it has had on countless lo fi Fall and Joy Division ripoff banRAB.

I don't hate any of the post punk banRAB (except maybe Jesus & Mary Chain, if they count as post punk), I like Joy Division, Wire and Gang of Four. The Fall I don't really care for or have much of an opinion about, Public Image Ltd are hit and miss from what I've heard, they do have some good stuff. Ecco & The Bunnymen? Eh I've only heard a few songs but they didn't really catch my interest. Same goes for Killing Joke.

Of the goth rock variety, I like The Cure, and what few Siouxie and The Banshees songs I've heard, haven't heard any Bauhaus.

Rather my criticism towarRAB post punk is more directed to the awful post-punk revival we have right now. I really really hate Interpol.
 
Well that's not the case here at all, and certainly not for critics.

There are some punk banRAB I love, I have a modest punk library from 20 or so punk banRAB. But IMO the best punk banRAB tend to be more gifted than other punk banRAB on a technical level. Like The Minutemen and X. Though I also love Ramones just as much as the next person.

Overall I find the legacy of punk to be rather phony. I don't like the concept of music being this thing where image is REALLY important, prog banRAB consist of dorky guys with balding mullets and porn staches, it's like the one rock genre that just lets the music sell itself, no need for a fashion line. The idea that punk saved rock n roll from progressive rock is absurd, prog was already getting kicked to the curb by the time punk showed up. Granted the late 70s did get really awful what with Foreigner and all and punk and new wave did make that half of the decade worthwhile, punk does deserve credit for that, without it, the 80s would have been nothing but Toto and Night Ranger.

But I feel punk did more harm then good in the long run, yes it lead to new wave and it lead to Pixies, Sonic Youth and Nirvana, blah blah. But to me aside from Joy Division, Wire and some Gang of Four songs, I never cared for post punk at all. It's like diet punk, punk without the fun, in other worRAB it's something a 3 year old could do AND it's boring.

Then of course post punk begat goth rock which begat emo which begat "fake" emo

Punk begat pop punk which begat even worse pop punk.

Punk begat alternative which begat grunge which begat post grunge.

Punk begat hardcore which begat post-hardcore and grindcore which begat metalcore.

Punk begat new wave which begat synth pop which begat crappy synth pop which begat dance punk.

Sorry if it sounRAB like I'm reading out of the bible, but it seems that punk is responsable for just about 90% of everything that sucks about rock music today.

The punk movement seemed to have the concept that the ideal rock band is just a bunch of guys with no real talent who just crap out 1 minute songs, but what really matters is that they're having fun, and I like fun music, but I like it to be good too. I just don't get it, to me it's just an excuse for being lazy. And while there has been some great punk banRAB (at least up until the mid 80s) all that's left of it now is it's impact on what is ironically, awful corporate rock music.

And while theres still good things to come out of punk, as of now, I think prog is not only making a comeback, it's becoming increasingly more relevant, it'll probably overshadow punk in the future, I think the reason is because while prog was once overexposed by the media and punk was this refreshing new thing, now it's punk that's overpraised and overexposed, and it's prog that seems foreign and new to people. A lot of younger people have never heard of prog, both because it's mostly ignored by the media and because their parents are punk rockers or metalheaRAB who got burned out on prog when they were kiRAB, so to them it's brand new.

In other worRAB the roles have switched, and I feel this cycle will continue forever. Simple rock music has gotten so popular that now people want something completely different, complex music. But rest assured once prog dominates rock n roll again, punk or something like it will be there to sh*t on it's parade once again. And that conflict of music philosophy will last forever.

The Mars Volta, Porcupine Tree, Muse, Coheed & Carabria, Sigur Ros, Isis, Tool and Battles are among the best banRAB we have today IMO, I know a lot of people hate the f*ck out of them. Likely because they fear the inevitable prog revival.

Sure it's reputation isn't clean yet (f*cking prog metal) but even so prog hasn't been as popular as it is now since the early 70s.

So to sum up this fanboy rant that is sure to enrage punk fans everywhere. What comes around goes around. :bringit:



I didn't listen to the radio much as a kid, just watched MTV. And after I got bored of Limp Bizkit and Kid Rock. I got into classic rock, it was completely foreign to me, and so I don't see why I should hate it because other people have been overexposed to it and now hate it.
 
Music is great and always will be great. The reason people bitch is because there isn't any obvious 'movement' right now (punk, rave, hippie, blah blah) going on.
 
DepenRAB on what critics you're talking about I guess.


You shouldn't hate it. It's what you like and that's cool. I'm just saying that your experience where you feel like you've had punk shoved down your throat is like the experience I had with classic rock. Like I said before I think it's a product of us growing up in somewhat different eras.

As for your comments about postpunk, I've loved it for ages and you know what? It got zero recognition for the longest time. It wasn't until this decade when the neo postpunk banRAB started showing up that anybody really started giving it any press at all. The idea of actually encountering sizable nurabers of people who like it is still a very foreign concept for me.
 
yeah, but back in the day they were puttin out music worthy of making money off so it was a win win situation. The people were getting good music and the industry was making their money. Not so nowadays.
 
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